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'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Read "The Cult of the Virgin Mary: Psychological Origins" by Michael P. Carroll.

Sorry, I can't. Not in scripture.
161 posted on 12/05/2006 10:58:37 AM PST by Antoninus (When your party's platform is "Vote for US because THEY will be worse," prepare to lose.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Read "The Cult of the Virgin Mary: Psychological Origins" by Michael P. Carroll.

Sorry, I can't. Not in scripture.
162 posted on 12/05/2006 10:58:42 AM PST by Antoninus (When your party's platform is "Vote for US because THEY will be worse," prepare to lose.)
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To: Antoninus

Hic-up.


163 posted on 12/05/2006 10:59:00 AM PST by Antoninus (When your party's platform is "Vote for US because THEY will be worse," prepare to lose.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, to see the psychological origins for your belief in God.

Psychological deconstruction is a universal acid; if you try to use it against belief in the Virgin Mother, you undermine your entire theology.

-A8

164 posted on 12/05/2006 11:20:59 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: bornacatholic
IF you think Catholic Laity worship Mary, check every single Missal ever produced (and cite)a single solitary prayer wherein we Catholics offer sacrifice to Mary..

Let the language of the Salve, Regina, with its appeals to the goddess, speak for itself.

Frankly, I'd rather look to God the Holy Spirit to make Jesus known to me now, in this life, than pin my hopes on a fellow human being making the introductions after I'm dead!
165 posted on 12/05/2006 11:24:12 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley
V./ Pray for us O holy Mother of God,

If she were a goddess, why would we be asking her to pray for us?
166 posted on 12/05/2006 11:27:21 AM PST by Antoninus (When your party's platform is "Vote for US because THEY will be worse," prepare to lose.)
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To: TomSmedley
Apocalypse 12....

And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:

*Mary, or Bette Midler, as Queen of Heaven?

167 posted on 12/05/2006 11:35:13 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: TomSmedley
Umm, where, eaxctly, is Mary named a Goddess?
168 posted on 12/05/2006 11:36:38 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: adiaireton8; xzins; Alex Murphy; AlbionGirl; Gamecock; HarleyD; TomSmedley; Lord_Calvinus; ...
LOL. Have your read "the Cult of the Virgin Mary" by Carroll?

It's a fascinating read, illustrating the current and fairly recent idolization of Mary as a restatement of the Cult of Cybele and the outgrowth of a certain type of anti-male masochism.

Unlike my faith in Jesus Christ of which I know the origin.

"For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil

Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec." -- Hebrews 6:13-20


169 posted on 12/05/2006 11:42:51 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: TomSmedley
I asked you to cite a SINGLE prayer wherein we Catholics offer Sacrifice to Mary.

And you post this non-responsive non-sequitur which does not even include the words you claim exist - that of Mary as a Goddess.

If you are having this much trouble understanding simple declarative sentences, it is no wonder you are having trouble with more sophisticated and complicated Christian Doctrine.

Perhaps more prayer, study, reflection, and guidance ought be sought by you before you continue to advance unsubstantiated charges against your Christian brothers and sisters

The Catholic Catechism is free online. Please search it and read what it is we Teach about Mary.

The Doctrine of the Catholic Church is exoteric. There is nothing hidden. It is EASILY found online.

Those making false charges about the Catholic Church reveal more about the state of their own souls when they make false, easily disproven charges.

I mean, I don't go around claimng America's Constitution says "The President is Royalty" even though my generation thought JFK was a King. I'd be seen as rather absurd were I to make such a silly charge because ANYONE can read the Constitution (and the Catechism) free online ans see such a "fact" is non-existent. The same goes for your false charges against us.

The more you insist that which does not exist is what we in fact teach, the less you will appear as a reliable commentator in here

170 posted on 12/05/2006 11:49:19 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Antoninus; TomSmedley
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -- 1 Timothy 2:5

171 posted on 12/05/2006 11:51:03 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: bornacatholic
Apocalypse 12....

Israel, of the OT and NT eras.

172 posted on 12/05/2006 11:52:20 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley

http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=4070


173 posted on 12/05/2006 12:00:00 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Do you repent after you pray for someone, because in doing so you mediating on their behalf to God, in violation of this verse?

-A8

174 posted on 12/05/2006 12:01:53 PM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -- 1 Timothy 2:5

Am I to assume that you don't have your family and friends pray for you? Are they not acting the part of mediators? Or are they committing grave errors by praying for you?
175 posted on 12/05/2006 12:02:57 PM PST by Antoninus (When your party's platform is "Vote for US because THEY will be worse," prepare to lose.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

So? PLease post a citation from any Universal Catechism, any Papal Encyclical, any Ecumenical Council Teaching Mary is a goddess


176 posted on 12/05/2006 12:03:22 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

"Read "The Cult of the Virgin Mary: Psychological Origins" by Michael P. Carroll."
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Thanks for the listing I will put it on my reading list.:-)


177 posted on 12/05/2006 12:05:03 PM PST by wmfights (Romans 8:37-39)
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To: livius

Amen to that. If anything it makes you go home and read the gospel of Luke. I saw the movie and liked it very much. Of course there will always be things in any movie that you wished had been done better. But going to the movies is not what makes ones faith. But we can be very grateful for a movie to come out like this at Christmas! And pray enough people will see the movie and send hollywood a message. We want more movies like this please.!


178 posted on 12/05/2006 12:06:07 PM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

http://www.scborromeo.org/papers/mediator.PDF


179 posted on 12/05/2006 12:06:29 PM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Not worth it, September 26, 1999

Reviewer: A reader

This book attempts to analyze Catholic Marian devotion using Freudian psychology, and many of its strange conclusions arise from this approach. For instance, the author argues that Mary appeals to Catholic men because they have an "oedipal" need for a mother, while she appears to Catholic women because she fulfills their (alleged) "subconscious desire" to have a child by their fathers (since Catholics believe that Mary bore the Son of God the Father). While his conclusion about men may have some validity (we all need a spiritual Mother) his conclusion about women is absurd (Freud was never right about women anyway). I am a Catholic mother, and I have spoken to many Catholic mothers like myself, and the reason why we love Mary - besides the fact that she is our Mother in heaven - is because we can relate to her as a mother and feel that she knows what we are going through, since she too had a family. This guy just doesn't have a clue!

His analysis of Marian apparitions is similarly awful; the author simply ignores any historical details of the apparitions which do not fit his pat theories. The treatment of Guadalupe is perhaps the worst; he claims that the apparitions to Juan Diego are a myth, and that they were never recorded until long after the event! The fact is, there *are* contemporaneous documents which mention the apparition; a little research would have confirmed that. And Juan Diego *is* a historical personage; in fact he was recently beatified by the Catholic Church. The pope does not beatify mythological characters!

*Is this the sort of recomendation you wih to be associated with?

Did YOU read the book?

180 posted on 12/05/2006 12:11:33 PM PST by bornacatholic
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