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'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480

'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

By John-Henry Westen

NEW YORK, December 4, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A review of New Line Cinema's The Nativity story by Fr. Angelo Mary Geiger of the Franciscans of the Immaculate in the United States, points out that the film, which opened December 1, misinterprets scripture from a Catholic perspective.

While Fr. Geiger admits that he found the film is "in general, to be a pious and reverential presentation of the Christmas mystery." He adds however, that "not only does the movie get the Virgin Birth wrong, it thoroughly Protestantizes its portrayal of Our Lady."

In Isaiah 7:14 the Bible predicts the coming of the Messiah saying: "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel." Fr. Geiger, in an video blog post, explains that the Catholic Church has taught for over 2000 years that the referenced Scripture showed that Mary would not only conceive the child miraculously, but would give birth to the child miraculously - keeping her physical virginity intact during the birth.

The film, he suggests, in portraying a natural, painful birth of Christ, thus denies the truth of the virginal and miraculous birth of Christ, which, he notes, the Fathers of the Church compared to light passing through glass without breaking it. Fr. Geiger quoted the fourth century St. Augustine on the matter saying. "That same power which brought the body of the young man through closed doors, brought the body of the infant forth from the inviolate womb of the mother."

Fr. Geiger contrasts The Nativity Story with The Passion of the Christ, noting that with the latter, Catholics and Protestants could agree to support it. He suggests, however, that the latter is "a virtual coup against Catholic Mariology".

The characterization of Mary further debases her as Fr. Geiger relates in his review. "Mary in The Nativity lacks depth and stature, and becomes the subject of a treatment on teenage psychology."

Beyond the non-miraculous birth, the biggest let-down for Catholics comes from Director Catherine Hardwicke's own words. Hardwicke explains her rationale in an interview: "We wanted her [Mary] to feel accessible to a young teenager, so she wouldn't seem so far away from their life that it had no meaning for them. I wanted them to see Mary as a girl, as a teenager at first, not perfectly pious from the very first moment. So you see Mary going through stuff with her parents where they say, 'You're going to marry this guy, and these are the rules you have to follow.' Her father is telling her that she's not to have sex with Joseph for a year-and Joseph is standing right there."

Comments Fr. Geiger, "it is rather disconcerting to see Our Blessed Mother portrayed with 'attitude;' asserting herself in a rather anachronistic rebellion against an arranged marriage, choosing her words carefully with her parents, and posing meaningful silences toward those who do not understand her."

Fr. Geiger adds that the film also contains "an overly graphic scene of St. Elizabeth giving birth," which is "just not suitable, in my opinion, for young children to view."

Despite its flaws Fr. Geiger, after viewing the film, also has some good things to say about it. "Today, one must commend any sincere attempt to put Christ back into Christmas, and this film is certainly one of them," he says. "The Nativity Story in no way compares to the masterpiece which is The Passion of the Christ, but it is at least sincere, untainted by cynicism, and a worthy effort by Hollywood to end the prejudice against Christianity in the public square."

And, in addition to a good portrait of St. Joseph, the film offers "at least one cinematic and spiritual triumph" in portraying the Visitation of Mary to St. Elizabeth. "Although the Magnificat is relegated to a kind of epilogue at the movie's end, the meeting between Mary and Elizabeth is otherwise faithful to the scriptures and quite poignant. In a separate scene, the two women experience the concurrent movement of their children in utero and share deeply in each other's joy. I can't think of another piece of celluloid that illustrates the dignity of the unborn child better than this."

See Fr. Geiger's full review here:
http://airmaria.com/


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To: Kolokotronis; Quix; Forest Keeper
We don't believe that the Theotokos is our "Salvation" or "Savior" in the sense we use those terms here on this thread

Of course. But neither the "co-Redemptrix" means Redeemer. This is what the Catechism teaches on Mary (sorry, long):

PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH

SECTION TWO
THE PROFESSION OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH

CHAPTER THREE
I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT

ARTICLE 9
"I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"

Paragraph 6. Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church

963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer.... She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head."500 "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."501

I. MARY'S MOTHERHOOD WITH REGARD TO THE CHURCH

Wholly united with her Son . . .

964 Mary's role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. "This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ's virginal conception up to his death";502 it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:

Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: "Woman, behold your son."503

965 After her Son's Ascension, Mary "aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers."504 In her association with the apostles and several women, "we also see Mary by her prayers imploring the gift of the Spirit, who had already overshadowed her in the Annunciation."505

. . . also in her Assumption

966 "Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death."506 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.507

. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

967 By her complete adherence to the Father's will, to his Son's redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church's model of faith and charity. Thus she is a "preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church"; indeed, she is the "exemplary realization" (typus)508 of the Church.

968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. "In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior's work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace."509

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."510

970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it."511 "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."512

II. DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN

971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."513 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."514 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.515

III. MARY - ESCHATOLOGICAL ICON OF THE CHURCH

972 After speaking of the Church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. In her we contemplate what the Church already is in her mystery on her own "pilgrimage of faith," and what she will be in the homeland at the end of her journey. There, "in the glory of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity," "in the communion of all the saints,"516 the Church is awaited by the one she venerates as Mother of her Lord and as her own mother.

In the meantime the Mother of Jesus, in the glory which she possesses in body and soul in heaven, is the image and beginning of the Church as it is to be perfected in the world to come. Likewise she shines forth on earth until the day of the Lord shall come, a sign of certain hope and comfort to the pilgrim People of God.517

IN BRIEF

973 By pronouncing her "fiat" at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son's Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

975 "We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ" (Paul VI, CPG # 15).


500 LG 53; cf. St. Augustine, De virg. 6: PL 40,399.
501 Paul VI, Discourse, November 21,1964.
502 LG 57.
503 LG 58; cf. Jn 19:26-27.
504 LG 69.
505 LG 59.
506 LG 59; cf. Pius XII, Munificentissimus Deus (1950): DS 3903; cf. Rev 19:16.
507 Byzantine Liturgy, Troparion, Feast of the Dormition, August 15th.
508 LG 53; 63.
509 LG 61.
510 LG 62.
511 LG 60.
512 LG 62.
513 Lk 1:48; Paul VI, MC 56.
514 LG 66.
515 Cf. Paul VI, MC 42; SC 103.
516 LG 69.
517 LG 68; Cf. 2 Pet 3 10.

(Paragraph 6. Mary - Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church)

11,441 posted on 03/19/2007 11:07:23 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus
looking everything up by hand

My sources are

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, and
Unbound Bible

Both include seamless searches throughout the Canon, and the latter has all possible languages, and a very powerful search engine.

11,442 posted on 03/19/2007 11:12:43 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Forest Keeper; Mad Dawg; Quix; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; kawaii
in high school I had no lens

Unless your high school was on Mars, you had a lense as thick as an ACLU lawyer...

11,443 posted on 03/19/2007 11:17:12 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Kolokotronis; annalex; Mad Dawg; Quix; HarleyD; kawaii; kosta50
This co-redemptrix idea, however, goes way beyond the IM and raises her to the level of a goddess.

Not at all. See the Catechism I just posted. The co-redemptrix simply means that Mary participates in the redemptive work of Christ in her unique way. Equality with Christ is a Protestant calumny put in our mouth for lack of a serious argument.

11,444 posted on 03/19/2007 11:29:25 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; Quix; Forest Keeper
My read, done in haste as I am at the office, reveals nothing, save the IC comment, to me that Orthodoxy does not believe. I am glad you pointed out her role as Mother of all of us in The Church. There is an icon, the Platytera (which means "Broader than the heavens), which graphically demonstrates this by the full body perspective and her out stretched arms. The icon is usually seen above the altar in the apse of an Orthodox Church. Sometimes, however, it can be seen high in the West wall as a particularly ancient version is in the main church of my maternal village. Some interpretations of this icon say it shows the expansiveness of her womb within which was contained the Creator of the Universe and by extension all of us.


11,445 posted on 03/19/2007 11:37:25 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: annalex; fortheDeclaration; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights
that quote in itself is perfectly Catholic. To be Catholic one must acknowledge that works of free will, under grace, contribute to faith and hence to salvation; there are many ways to express it.

You're misreading Lurcaris. He said that good works are the fruit of salvation, not a means to it.

And for that belief, he was murdered.

11,446 posted on 03/19/2007 11:52:03 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Lurcaris

LUCARIS. There seem to be many ways to spell his name, but Lurcaris isn't one of them.

11,447 posted on 03/19/2007 11:53:20 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: annalex; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; blue-duncan; fortheDeclaration; Marysecretary; Quix
Mary participates in the redemptive work of Christ in her unique way

Scripture, please, for that heresy?

"Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

(For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth." -- Deuteronomy 6:14-15


11,448 posted on 03/19/2007 11:58:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50
In my own case the actual doing of good works has helped me to develop a servant heart

Ah, very well. Like I said, this alone makes your understanding sufficiently Catholic. But why then do you say that you faith was not grown by your developing a "servant heart"? Faith is increased through work of free will:

5 [...] the apostles said to the Lord: Increase our faith. 6 And the Lord said: If you had faith like to a grain of mustard seed, you might say to this mulberry tree, Be thou rooted up, and be thou transplanted into the sea: and it would obey you. 7 But which of you having a servant ploughing, or feeding cattle, will say to him, when he is come from the field: Immediately go, sit down to meat: 8 And will not rather say to him: Make ready my supper, and gird thyself, and serve me, whilst I eat and drink, and afterwards thou shalt eat and drink? 9 Doth he thank that servant, for doing the things which he commanded him? 10 I think not. So you also, when you shall have done all these things that are commanded you, say: We are unprofitable servants; we have done that which we ought to do.

11,449 posted on 03/19/2007 12:08:08 PM PDT by annalex
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration
He was a 17th c. abomination

Thanks. The less is said of him the better; but that individual quote was not in itself incorrect, in my opinion.

11,450 posted on 03/19/2007 12:14:04 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights
You're misreading [Lucaris]. He said that good works are the fruit of salvation, not a means to it.

I was told that the totality of his works were Calvinist, but the individual quote in itself is fine. It is also fine to say that the good works are a product or "fruit" of the faith. It is, however, heretical to say that the good works an nothing more that such fruit, as the relationship between faith and good works is two-way.

11,451 posted on 03/19/2007 12:18:40 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; blue-duncan; fortheDeclaration; Marysecretary; ...
Scripture, please, for that heresy?

The first two chapters of Luke, primarily. Read much?

11,452 posted on 03/19/2007 12:19:54 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Christ is the second Adam. To state then that Mary is the second (new) Eve is truly putting Mary on the same plane as Christ.

So far, that's the way I see it as well. I don't know what else could be the point of making the comparison.

11,453 posted on 03/19/2007 1:56:42 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: annalex; Kolokotronis; Quix; HarleyD; kawaii
Equality with Christ is a Protestant calumny put in our mouth for lack of a serious argument

I agree with annalex. The Catholic Church does not teach that she is a 'goddess.' That is a gross mischaracterization. Rather, as annlex says, in essence the Catholic doctrine of co-redemptrix is similar to what Kolo posted regarding Mary's unique role that made our savlation possible through Christ. If anything can be misconstrued it would be, agaian as annalex pointed out, our prayers that she 'save' us.

11,454 posted on 03/19/2007 1:59:58 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration
but that individual quote was not in itself incorrect, in my opinion

Of course. Not everything the Calvinists or ptrotestants in general say is incorrect.

11,455 posted on 03/19/2007 2:07:34 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; .30Carbine; Blogger; Forest Keeper; hosepipe; All
The Catholic Church does not teach that she is a 'goddess.' That is a gross mischaracterization.

As with most parents, so with this psychologist . . .

ACTIOINS
SCREAM
MUCH
MUCH
MUCH
LOUDER
THAN
WORDS
!!!

Particularly on the Marion idolatry junk.

11,456 posted on 03/19/2007 2:15:47 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS ABLE; LOVE GOD WHOLLY, HIM & HIS KINGDOM 1ST)
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To: kosta50; annalex; Quix; HarleyD; kawaii

"I agree with annalex. The Catholic Church does not teach that she is a 'goddess.'"

Oh, I agree with Alex also. In fact, I believe I said that the Latin Church hasn't taught dogmatically that she is the "co-redemptrix", despite aggitation for precisely that teaching. In any event, Alex's quotations from the Catechism are free from anything an Orthodox Christian might reject. I notice they even use the word "Dormition"! :)


11,457 posted on 03/19/2007 2:42:22 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Quix; kosta50; annalex; Forest Keeper; Mad Dawg

So tell me, Quix, what do you think of the Platytera icon and its meaning? :)


11,458 posted on 03/19/2007 2:44:24 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

Sh. sh. Do you really need bright and vast posts? I can accomodate if you do.


11,459 posted on 03/19/2007 3:21:23 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

"Sh. sh. Do you really need bright and vast posts? I can accomodate if you do."

Truth be told, I just want to know who "Marion" is!


11,460 posted on 03/19/2007 3:28:55 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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