Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
What do you 'owe' your children, FK? You feed them, clothe them, provide for them...you'd think it immoral to feed only one and neglect the other(s) because, before they were even conceived, you decided that some will be cared for and others will be neglected.
It was +John who had (experienced) the revelation. Christ revealed to John..."things which must shortly come to pass..." (shortly, I would imagine is in cosmic terms...)
God doesn't receive or have a revelation. It is God who reveals and it is man who has a revelation.
It's the central, but not the only thing in the life of the Church.
I would also like to say here that having read so many Reformed and other Protestant views, it is no wonder the world is becoming secular or searching for alternate religions.
Having a God who makes 'illegitimate' children He wants nothing to do with but throw them into fire is not the kind of 'father figure' any civilized society would hold up as a model.
So the Church is bigger than Holy Tradition, which is bigger than the bible?
That's silly, DM. Are you bigger than your heart, your lungs or your stomach? It's all part of one organism. There was a Church before there was a New Testament.
Oh, there's that "spirit" abiding in you again... Another teaching moment lost...
Regards
It is amazing we continuing to have this conversation. Don't they realize that they are tossing out the baby with the bath water by questioning the Canon and siding with the Jews' decisions??? The only explanation behind this continued absurd self-defeating logic is a hatred towards the Church. They will commit intellectual suicide so as to "prove" the Church was WRONG!
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You responded . why would I want to? It is the revelation of Jesus Christ, the end of prophecy
!!! Use your logic, brother. Because the Jews didn't accept it, thus we must remove it from the Canon. Also, it is a Deuterocanonical book and was NOT universally accepted by the Church. The same arguments you use vs. the OT Deuts you somehow drop when discussing the NT Deuts. Don't you see your position?
Regards
First of all, Luther also caved - he didn't remove James.
Secondly, don't you get it? Your continued defense of the removal of the Deuterocanonicals is based on the Jews - who denied Christ. Is that whom you will side with? How often must I remind you that you are siding with the Pharisees who rejected Christ and the Christians??? In you rush to condemn the Church and anything Catholic, you commit intellectual suicide and don't even realize it...
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Any Scripture on that one? And how does the Spirit reveal what the Canon is? Through Joe Smoe? Please...
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Typing the word SIN in capital letters is SIN. opps. wow. Guess that there's no hope for salvation for any of us. Eye of a needle sort of thing. But I am redeemed and so are you, Mary. Have a blessed day.
TRUE, TRUE AS USUAL, A-G:
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Truly, I believe meanness of every kind results when people fail to love God absolutely (Great Commandment) and their neighbor unconditionally. (Matt 22)
Or, to paraphrase the Chambers devotion today:
When you talk to other people, you cannot hear what God is saying.
God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all.
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Now in the application . . .
Just our outstinks.
Actually that line above by the Orthodox bro would be a very funny joke about humanity except that it's too dreadfully untrue.
I didn't realize the Orthodox Bible had removed:
"The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it."
IIRC,
The Hobbit threads have that honor of being the longest.
If memory serves me correctly, the writer of Revelation was a Jew.
I notice that you say New Testament rather than saying Word of God. Why is that?
Sometimes it's clear that there just isn't any discussion possible.
Certainly it seems that way, Jo. Historical facts show that they are wrong. There was NO Jewish 'canon' before Jamnia. Judaism was an amalgam of different sects, using different canons.
They also treat the Septuagint 'Greek' OT like some Gentile imitation, saying that the Jews had the right to determine their own canon. And Greek-speaking Jews were not Jews with the same rights?
They also neglect the fact that many Jews used the Septuagint with all its books as Scripture for at least two and a half centuries before Christ and no one had told them to stop it! Not even the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem.
By some fantastic 'coincidence' the Christ-denying Pharisaical rabbis of Jamnia in 100 AD threw out not just the Septuagint but also the NT. The only reason they threw out the Septuagint is because the Apostles and their followers used it as the OT. No one ever suggested it before that. No one!
No he wasn't. As far as Judaism is concerned, one can be an atheist and be a Jew, but one cannot believe in Christ and be a Jew.
The author was an apostate Jews who no longer lived like a Jew, and who believed that "man can become God."
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