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To: TaraP
Does Islam claim that Allah created the world? If so, then Christians and Muslims worship the same God, even if Muslims give other false attributes to God, and fail to give other true attributes to God.

-A8

3 posted on 12/01/2006 8:17:02 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8

How do you figure that? where is that written in the Holy Bible?


4 posted on 12/01/2006 8:18:58 AM PST by TaraP
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To: adiaireton8

Allah is NOT the God I worship. No way, no how. Nothing you or anyone else says will convince me differently.


134 posted on 12/01/2006 1:48:23 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: adiaireton8

Dear adiareton8,

I agree with you. As far as I can see, the Muslim Allah is the true God, although inaccurately beheld, and falsely worshipped.

Not only do Muslims believe that Allah created the world, but they also believe that He is eternal, the first cause, omniscient, ominipresent, and omnipotent. They believe that He alone is uncreated and noncontingent. All else that exists is created ex nihilio and contingent. They believe that He is intrinsically impassable, and that His Divinity is of an entirely different nature from that of all the rest of (created) reality.

I just don't know any other being who is all these things.

This is in contrast to the Latter Day Saints who seem to believe that their God may have once been a man, that although their God (and all intelligent beings) were organized from eternally pre-existing stuff, he is not eternal and unchanged in the sense that Jews, Christians and Muslims believe.

Ontologically, it seems more likely to me that the God of Muslims is, as they view Him, the God of Moses, Isaac, Jacob, and Jesus.

However, they have apprehended Him quite inaccurately, in that they give Him some attributes (lying, etc.) that aren't true, and they deny certain attributes (principally, His Trinitarian nature) that are true.

And in that they do not assist at Mass or Divine Liturgy, they worship Him falsely.


sitetest


207 posted on 12/01/2006 3:47:55 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: adiaireton8
It really depends upon what one chooses as a definition that would make a god the same. In your case you are making the core definition of "creator" core...and if you wish to remain logically consistent, then, you will claim that every god that is identified as the creator is the same god. Others will not accept your overly broad definition judging the other attendant attributes of allah are sufficiently different from God to identify him as another entity. This is not unreasonable since the claim is that Muhammad is allah's prophet, and it seems that Muhammad was visited by a demon, or perhaps Satan himself....clearly not the real God.
496 posted on 12/03/2006 2:02:45 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: adiaireton8
Just personal opinion here...

I believe that the god of the Koran...Allah...is in reality what we call Satan. The Great Deceiver. Mohammed was his tool...his useful idiot...to perpetrate the greatest deception within his grand plan to destroy the children of the one true God.

498 posted on 12/03/2006 2:48:57 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The way that you wander is the way that you choose. The day that you tarry is the day that you lose.)
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