Posted on 11/09/2006 8:44:45 AM PST by policyforever867
Some things really work better in other environments, y'know? Some ideas don't match up with high school or even college forensics.
(BTW I half agree and half disagree with you on the universe thing. All the phenomena suggest expansion. But if universe [there's that pseky "one" again] means what it seems to mean, how good there be any thing, not IN the universe. [Space, BTW, may not be a thing.])
If your ignorance is truly invincible, then what are we doing here?
Sounds pretty self explanitory to me
Metaphors and other literary devices have been become incomprehensible parables.
ShemA Yisrael Adonai Elohenu Adonai echaD
is a simple statement of Torah truth.
Appreciate your post.
Another description of "mystery" in this use is: Something about which you can constantly know more, but never all.
Well, don't think of it as a mathematical absurdity, because it's not about arithmetic or numeration at all. It's about love.
The most basic things we know about God are that God is One, and that God is Love. But Love can't be One in the most singleton solitary sense, because a "love of one" would be a profound egotism, a stuck-on-yourselfness which is not actually love at all, but quite a monstrous opposite.
So God who is Love is a Tri-unity. There is an inner back-and-forth of love, a giving and receiving and back again, a dynamism.
This has to do with the inner life of God within Himself, not as three "aspects" of one person, but as three Persons united in one Nature: a kaleidoscope.
And this is a Mystery, not because we can never understand any of it, but because we can never understand all of it.
And think: what could this possibly mean: that we were "created in the image and likeness of God"?
Good question. Dunno. But then if I can make one mad dog serene it will all have been worth it.
Speaking for the rabies-challenged everywhere, I want to say thank you, from the bottom of my salivary glands ....
You know, people see a foaming at the mouth, grolwing dog who seems to take no regard for his own personal safety and seems to intend to compromise the personal safety of anyone who gets close enough ... and they react negatively! Can you imagine?
I'm tired of putting up with this hydrophophiaphobia!
Well believing isn't enough anymore. You need to KNOW - not just take someone else's word for it.
Very nice of you to say. I have no problem with any of you. Godspeed.
My response is that there's no possible way you can KNOW this. It must be taken by faith. Not that there's anything wrong with that but then there are those who get offended and act surprised if, God forbid, somebody asks a question about it. Not saying this describes you but I thought this is the FR a place to discuss these kind of things. :-)
I and [my] Father are one. John 10:30 (KJV) <<<
Sounds pretty self explanitory to me
Metaphors and other literary devices have been become incomprehensible parables.
ShemA Yisrael Adonai Elohenu Adonai echaD
is a simple statement of Torah truth.
42 posted on 11/09/2006 11:11:07 PM MST by Thinkin' Gal
b'shem Y'shua
I am glad folks are defending the Trinity. The heart of every anti-Christian heresy has essentially been anti-Trinitarianism. This includes Islam.
Jews are in a separate category, obviously, because they did not accept Jesus and his revelation of God. But of the groups that came after the Incarnation (which is the starting point for all modern history), those that rejected the doctrine of the Trinity are the ones that have brought the most grief to the world, because their monad God can either be dealt with as an abstraction who has nothing to do with our world (the UU position) or as a vengeful ruler who hands down a set of ritual laws and limits his personal interaction to the following of his ritual (Muslims).
The Christian God is a living relationship, and that is what is meant by the Trinity; and we are involved in it through the Incarnation.
That's an interesting comment. All faith, though, will eventually be unnecessary, as it gives way to knowledge. And even before that happens, faith rests on somebody's knowledge: that is, you may not know something first-hand, but you believe somebody who does. As Josef Pieper says, "Faith is participation in the knowledge of a knower."
Come to think of it, most of what we think of as knowledge is actually faith. I have been to Paris, so I know it exists. I have never been to Moscow, but my husband has. I have seen the word Moscow on maps; I have read about Moscow inbooks and magazines; I can look up Moscow on the Internet. You could say that my "knowledge" of Moscow is part of my larger "knowledge" of geography, but in fact it is faith. I believe the people who made the books and maps; I believe my husband.
The vast majority of what we "know" even in this world and in this life, is actually faith.
As for the Trinity: I am part of a long chain of people whom I do not think are lunatics or liars, who trust in someone who was a "knower," and who proclaimed the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit because He knew it first-hand.
I personally trust the people who handed this on to me.
In the end, both faith and hope will be gone. I will know, even as I am known.
Not necessary. Let's focus on the subject matter. Not interested in your psyco analysis. Been around since 1998. Most eveyone else already knows my history. For you to imply I'm hiding something I suspect seems foolish to most others.
I'm well aware of what faith is. I'm glad you that you have and cherish yours. I have faith that God created the Universe among the other things as well. I choose, as do you, which knowledge to participate in with a knower. :-) The trinity is not one of them. I am convinced as well that your acceptance of the doctine of Trinity is, simply put, by faith. Why does that cause such angst among those on this thread?
Happily, I seem to have missed out on the angst. :^)
I do not recognize within myself any feelings of "angst" toward Trinitarians. Therefore I see no reason to defend myself. Am also not interested in pursuing the subject further. If others choose to give you a glimpse into my past fine. I'd like to just stick to the topic of the thread.
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