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To: Petrosius
Understanding that the liturgy is the expression of the theology of the Church, the bishops are fearful lest the generalization of the use of the Roman Missal of 1962 would relativize the directions of Vatican II.

My fears are the mirror image of theirs. I fear that widespread usage of the Traditional Mass as an "indulgence" within the Vatican II framework will serve to solidify the phenomenological underpinnings of V-2.

That is, I fear that some traditionalists will accommodate themselves to the V-2 notions that the Church is the "People of God" (rather than the Kingdom or Mystical Body of Christ) and the "Light of the World" (in leading mankind to the next Teihardian evolutionary level of ecumenical brotherhood).

4 posted on 10/30/2006 10:54:55 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal; sitetest; mockingbyrd; Sem Student; BlackElk
That is, I fear that some traditionalists will accommodate themselves to the V-2 notions that the Church is the "People of God"

St. Thomas Aquinas

"Blessed are the people whose God is the Lord: the people whom he hath chosen for his inheritance"

*Yeah. Vatican Two, an Ecumenical Council, was called to destroy Tradition and to indoctrinate us with such heresies as we are the people of God.

Personally, I fancy myself a person of God, what with my attachment to Christianity and whatnot. BTW, does me being a people of God mean I am not also part of the Body of Christ?

Lumen Gentium....The Son, therefore, came, sent by the Father. It was in Him, before the foundation of the world, that the Father chose us and predestined us to become adopted sons, for in Him it pleased the Father to re-establish all things.(4) To carry out the will of the Father, Christ inaugurated the Kingdom of heaven on earth and revealed to us the mystery of that kingdom. By His obedience He brought about redemption. The Church, or, in other words, the kingdom of Christ now present in mystery, grows visibly through the power of God in the world. ...

In the human nature united to Himself the Son of God, by overcoming death through His own death and resurrection, redeemed man and re-molded him into a new creation.(50) By communicating His Spirit, Christ made His brothers, called together from all nations, mystically the components of His own Body.

*Reading the Documents of Vatican Two is not a sin

5 posted on 10/31/2006 4:32:05 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Dajjal

" I fear that widespread usage of the Traditional Mass as
an "indulgence" within the Vatican II framework will serve to solidify the phenomenological
underpinnings of V-2."

I have no fear of that. I trust in the Sensus Fidei and my own early experiences of the sacred in the Traditional Mass. I don't think any of the watered down notions will last, they can't hold up and will be apparently out of sync with the richer ( downright heady compared to most Novus Ordo Masses I've attended) liturgy and deep heritage it calls forth. Along with the tremendous solemn impact of the liturgy, this is the Mass - same words - of so many Saints and to God all moments are present in their immediacy!


14 posted on 11/01/2006 6:45:22 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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