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To: annalex
If you'll read the scripture, you'll see that Jesus preached to the people, and each individual one.

Note the passages below:

Matthew 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Matthew 6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

Matthew 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

Matthew 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

Matthew 6:29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Matthew 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith?

Matthew 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

Matthew 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

These passages are just about as anti-central authority as you can get, neigh unto spiritual anarchy, from the viewpoint of an artificial entity, a corporation, like the Roman Catholic church.

They show no need for any authority at all but God to the individual soul.

Nowhere in these passages is there to intervene any church or organization at all, nor any hint of working through any church or organization at all.

The Protestant "spin", as you call it, comes directly from the scriptures and needs no interpretation, for they are clear as crystal.

All through the Gospels and new testament is Jesus and the apostles telling individual people what to do and how they should act. Nowhere is there mention that they must rely on a church to reach God through Christ. Any reference to any church is to individual groups of believers, called churches in the original definition of that word.

Jesus said clearly that when two or more are gathered in His name, He would be amongst them. That is to say, two or more individuals, not churches, or a central church and an individual.

Jesus preached no organization necessary to the communion of Christ and God with the individual. Read these passages. Jesus said "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

He did not say seek ye first a church to add these things unto you.

The Catholic church seeks power and dominion over the spiritual life of the peoples of the Earth. Like any human tyrannt. Believe in it at your own risk; believe in the teaching of Jesus and the individual way to God through Christ to the salvation of your soul.

600 posted on 11/04/2006 8:25:32 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
These passages [Mt 6] are just about as anti-central authority as you can get

They are not "anti", they merely do not mention any authority because the topic here is personal relationship with God. No question, the Church has always taught that faith is intensely personal, as it culminates in Penance and the Eucharist, both acts demanding an individual movement of soul.

But the Church also recognizes the communal aspect of faith. To start, communion is a public, communal act just as much as it is personal. While confession is necessarily private, penance often is public. Christ wanted us to have communal life; for one thing He said that He will build His Church (singular, not plural). He taught us to pray in first person plural, "Our Father...". Paul wrote several letters dealing almost exculsively with Church life, see both letters to Timothy and Titus, and relating the Christian Church to the Jewish Temple worship in Hebrews. The union of the personal and the communal is best seen in this passage: "[I Paul] rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church" (Col 1:24).

731 posted on 11/06/2006 11:42:58 AM PST by annalex
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To: William Terrell

The verses in Matthew 16 and 18 are clear scripture giving the Church as an organization headed by Peter authority over spiritual matters, including access to the Kingdom of Heaven.

I already pointed out to you that the notion of the Kingdom of Heaven being inside the individual cannot be used to disprove the other gospel, because it is not described as exclusively an internal matter.

The rest is your speculative thinking.


834 posted on 11/13/2006 9:13:15 AM PST by annalex
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