Jesus summarizes the 10 Commandments into two. The Law of God is 100% moral.
How is praying for the excommunicated person and trying to persuade him to seek reconciliation with the Church a case of failing to follow 1 Tim 5:19?
What part of 1 Tim 5:19 says anything about reconciliation with a Church? Reading further, my argument is even more reinforced by the Apostle:
1Ti 5:24 The sins of some men are quite evident, going before them to judgment; for others, their sins follow after. 1Ti 5:25 Likewise also, deeds that are good are quite evident, and those which are otherwise cannot be concealed.
Why can't you simply get together with your Catholic brethren and accuse a Priest, Bishop, Cardinal, or Pope of committing evident sins?
The Church was founded by Christ on Peter the rock (Matt 16:18). So, I think you are misinterpreting the passages to which you are referring. The Twelve Apostles are the foundation stones of the Church (see Revelation 21:14).
The Church was founded on the Holy Spirit, not the man Peter. Did you miss this verse?
1Pe 5:1 Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,
What of the account of Mat 21:23-17? How did the people recognize John the Baptist as a prophet? How does one recognize Godliness? It certainly is not the church in this instance? Paul writes that the laity can accuse the clergy, to be careful when laying on of hands, etc. There had to be a clear standard for God to deal with us. Men are all sinful.
Rom 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; Rom 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
Lev 24:22 'There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the LORD your God.'"
Do you follow the Old Testament dietary laws? (No pork, shrimp, clams, oysters, lobster, etc.) (Leviticus 11)
KUSA: What exactly can Catholic laity do to affect the excommunication of a member of the clergy?
A8: Pray for the excommunicated person and attempt to persuade them to seek reconciliation with the Church.
KUSA: Why can't you do what the Bible says? 1Ti 5:19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses.
A8: How is praying for the excommunicated person and trying to persuade him to seek reconciliation with the Church a case of failing to follow 1 Tim 5:19?
KSUA: What part of 1 Tim 5:19 says anything about reconciliation with a Church?
A8: You are the one who brought in 1 Tim 5:19 in response to my answer to your original question at the beginning of this dialogue.
Why can't you simply get together with your Catholic brethren and accuse a Priest, Bishop, Cardinal, or Pope of committing evident sins?
You can. Why do you think you can't?
The Church was founded on the Holy Spirit, not the man Peter. Did you miss this verse? 1Pe 5:1 Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed.
Why do you think that 1 Peter 5:1 nullifies Matt 16:18? Peter is indeed a fellow elder (and a fellow Apostle), but he also has a unique authority as shown more specifically in Matt 16:18, both as the rock on which the Church is built, and as the possessor of the keys.
What of the account of Mat 21:23-17? How did the people recognize John the Baptist as a prophet?
It is a moot point because the Old Covenant context and the New Covenant context are distinct. Now we have a Magesterium gifted with the "charism of truth" (to quote from Irenaeus). If we assume that that we must on our own as individuals (apart from the Magesterium) figure out who is 'anointed' or 'divinely inspired', we are loading a false claim into our methodology, namely, the false claim that "there is no Magesterium graced with the charism of truth".
Paul writes that the laity can accuse the clergy, to be careful when laying on of hands, etc. There had to be a clear standard for God to deal with us. Men are all sinful.
Catholicism believes and teaches all of this. I'm not sure why you think otherwise.
-A8
Great points. Thanks.