[Conservative til I die]

At least I use my reason and not blindly follow the teachings of anyone (or group).

So this is where you want to take the discussion, eh?

So let me understand this: as long as a Catholic shares your position on abortion, they're being logical and free-thinking. Yet the Church also mandates that we be against abortion. So aren't we really just blindly following the Church here? Because that's what you're saying about Catholics who are against contraception.

You're also ignoring the possibility that maybe the Church has also used their reasoning abilities to be against both contraception and abortion.

You're setting yourself up as the arbiter of what is and isn't a reasonable position and being condescending to boot.

[BipolarBob]

Let's get this straight. I do think you may have fallen into the secular pit of reasoning. May the Holy Spirit enlighten your logic.

Whenever I challenge one of you on a position I am accused of using my own faulty reasoning and that I have no authority or right to make such decisions. Past arguments were centered on my inabilities or lack of guidance just like I'm stupid or something. They weren't flattering to me. God gave me reasoning abilities, the Holy Spirit and a soul to take care of and with His help I shall. So don't lets turn this around and say you're the victim, okay?