I Believe [Apostle's Creed]

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1 posted on 10/04/2006 4:54:43 PM PDT by Salvation

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2 posted on 10/04/2006 4:55:50 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)

God Bless you, the Catholics. I myself am not one but I recognize your role as essential to our cause and would only caution against the over deification of Mary.

Anyway, we are brothers in Christ. Let us continue the good fight as we've been commanded.

3 posted on 10/04/2006 5:02:46 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)

God Bless you, the Catholics. I myself am not one but I recognize your role as essential to our cause and would only caution against the over deification of Mary.

Nice sentiments, but why do you have to bring up Mary? This thread is about the Apostle's Creed.

4 posted on 10/04/2006 5:18:08 PM PDT by Titanites

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5 posted on 10/04/2006 5:26:33 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)

Thanks for your kind thoughts.

Just want to say though, that Mary is not deified. She intercedes for us and we pray to God through her.

God bless.

6 posted on 10/04/2006 5:27:40 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for the VICTORY that will ensure it.)

Credo in Deum, Patrem Omnipotentem, Creatorem Caeli et terrae;
et in Jesum Christum, Filium ejus unicum, Dominum nostrum:
qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria Virgine,
passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus.
Descendit ad inferos; tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos, sedet ad dexteram Dei, Patris
omnipotentis; inde venturus est judicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum, Sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam,
sanctorum communionem, remissionem peccatorum,
carnis resurrectionem, et vitam aeternam. Amen.

7 posted on 10/04/2006 5:30:05 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for the VICTORY that will ensure it.)

Nice sentiments, but why do you have to bring up Mary? This thread is about the Apostle's Creed.

Because some Catholics are dangerously close, in my opinion, of worshiping her in place of Jesus Christ. I've seen it firsthand.

8 posted on 10/04/2006 5:31:13 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)

Just want to say though, that Mary is not deified. She intercedes for us and we pray to God through her.

There's a fine line. I've seen it crossed by some Catholics firsthand. The Word is the authority and to rely on anything else is to open yourself up to anything. Nevertheless, this isn't a debate as to the merits of Catholicism. I said earlier that I recognize Catholics as important and saved and I stick by that.

9 posted on 10/04/2006 5:34:20 PM PDT by Jaysun (Idiot Muslims. They're just dying to have sex orgies.)

Catholics don't deify the Virgin Mary.

The back handed slap in your compliment is not appreciated.

10 posted on 10/04/2006 5:41:05 PM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)

There's a fine line. I've seen it crossed by some Catholics firsthand.

Please explain what you have witnessed.

11 posted on 10/04/2006 5:41:37 PM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)

I believe you've seen it; however we're not supposed to put her on the same level with God.

Not trying to prolong an argument, just wanted to point it out. There certainly are some people who don't get the difference and it's an important one.

12 posted on 10/04/2006 5:46:51 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for the VICTORY that will ensure it.)

I think you have Mary confused with my mother-in-law. I would caution her against deifying herself, but I'm afraid of her. (Only kidding. My MIL is a great woman of prayer and I have no hesitation in asking her to pray for me. I also have no hesitation in asking Mary to pray for me. She is also a great woman of prayer -- possibly even greater than my mother-in-law, though I'm not going to say that, not too loudly anyway)

Mary is not a god or goddess. She's a great saint. Our Lord talks about the psalm which says,"You are gods," and it is certain that great saints, those who show forth most fully what God intended for each of us, at least in some degree, could be confused with a diety.

But, nope: Only one God. A bunch of angels, one of whom is rooting for me in a special way, and then the blessed. And yes, I ask the angels and the blessed (and some of them more than others) if they wouldn't mind rooting for me. And I do so because I am confident that the God whose Son described what He had to offer in terms of overflowing abundance -- shaken down, pressed together, running over -- told me so because He wanted me to take heart, to know that HE and not He alone (which would certainly be MORE than enough!) but a great heavenly host are cheering for me, wincing when I fall, yelling all the louder when I stagger to my feet, yelling themselves hoarse, exchanging high fives, waiting with eager longing for me to finish the race and join as partners with them and even with God, El Shaddai, the great and terrible, Lord of Armies, as we struggle to the best of our ability to haul, to cheer, and encourage, and when needed, rebuke and scold, our brothers and sisters into the kingdom.

Nope, not a diety, but a remarkable woman who shines like a light, but still only reflects (or maybe refracts, like a lens) the dazzling light of Him who overwhelms the darkness and sends it, chagrined and ashamed, scurrying off vainly looking for a place to hide from His Love.

Nope, not a diety at all. But it's time for my to pray my rosary.

13 posted on 10/04/2006 5:47:54 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)

14 posted on 10/04/2006 6:02:38 PM PDT by Tribune7

The Christian faith is not a "religion of the book," that is, not based strictly on the Sacred Scriptures.

This is not true at all...You can ascribe the Catholic faith to that position but don't delude yourself into thinking there are no Christians outside the Catholic church...

15 posted on 10/04/2006 6:07:25 PM PDT by Iscool

The fact there are so many little denominations proves the point. When you rely solely on Scripture and personal interpretation thereof, chaos insues.

16 posted on 10/04/2006 6:09:30 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)

To: frogjerk; Jaysun

I've directed this post to Jaysun, who I think you meant to address.

17 posted on 10/04/2006 6:11:34 PM PDT by Titanites

Because some Catholics are dangerously close, in my opinion, of worshiping her in place of Jesus Christ.

In place of? The moment a "Catholic" does this is the moment they become an apostate. The devotion to the Blessed Sacrament is far above that of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

18 posted on 10/04/2006 6:11:35 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)

Because some Catholics are dangerously close, in my opinion, of worshiping her in place of Jesus Christ.

Fine. Start you own thread, don't hijack this one, which is about the Apostle's Creed. I think you guys spend more time talking about Mary than do Catholics.

19 posted on 10/04/2006 6:15:08 PM PDT by Titanites

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