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I Believe [Apostle's Creed]
CatholicExchange. com ^ | 10-04-06 | Mickey Addison

Posted on 10/04/2006 4:54:42 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: Salvation

It's a wonderful source. I'm so glad it's available.


81 posted on 10/05/2006 8:22:56 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Straight to the source! Execellent!


82 posted on 10/05/2006 8:28:37 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: Iscool
don't delude yourself into thinking there are no Christians outside the Catholic church...

You come up with the oddest interpretations and conclusions about such simple and straightforward posts. I'd love for you some day to post HOW you get to a specfic conclusion - a "logic trail" if you will... It would help in understanding your thinking.

83 posted on 10/05/2006 8:32:31 AM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: Iscool
There are nearly as many divisions in the Catholic church and numerous divisions in any given diocese

Wrong. The Catholic Church has 1 set of dogma, versus the many opposing doctrines within non-Catholic denominations brought about by relying solely on Scripture and personal interpretation.

84 posted on 10/05/2006 8:54:51 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Mad Dawg
Nope, not a diety at all. But it's time for my to pray my rosary.

Fabulous post, Mad Dawg! I'm going to share this with my CCD class, if you don't mind.

85 posted on 10/05/2006 9:01:31 AM PDT by TonyInOhio (Mark Foley acting like a Democrat won't make me vote like one.)
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To: TonyInOhio

I'd be honored. As long as you tell them that I, personally, am a jerk, you can do what you want with it.


86 posted on 10/05/2006 9:46:22 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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To: Jaded

Thank you. I will now go hide my confusion under a rock.


87 posted on 10/05/2006 9:47:31 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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To: Zuriel
Yep, there is only one omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent God. For anyone else to be able to hear the prayers of thousands around the world at the same moment (omnipresent), know what they are asking for in dozens of languages (pretty much requires some omniscience), and have the ability to relay the constant flow of petitions faster than received (almost omnipotent?)....nevermind. Just one has those attributes.

"pretty much" omniscience? That's like Rush being almost always right 98.5% of the time. Either you have all the knowledge that is or you don't. It's binary. Knowing a lot of languages, or even all of them doesn't come close to omniscience.

I guess I take the Bible seriously when John says that we shall be "like" God, and when Jesus quotes and construes Psalm 82. I think the destiny of saved mankind is greater than we can imagine, and the ability to hear all prayers addressed to one when one will have all the time in the world and then some to listen is not beyond belief.

Further, we know from Peter that the the Divine "experience" (for want of a better word) of time is not like ours. Not only are a thousand ages in His sight like an evening gone, but an evening is like a thousand years. So I would hesitate to pronounce authoritatively what it is like to be in ever-increasing union with God and how that would affect the ability to "process" time as we on earth experience it.

Our hope is a dazzlingly great one, and if we are vivified, as you, with Paul, say, by the Spirit of the Living God, as we become more and more "quickened" with THAT life, I think more and more is offered.

88 posted on 10/05/2006 9:59:11 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Now we are all Massoud)
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To: Conservative til I die

Sorry--forgot to ping you.


89 posted on 10/05/2006 11:42:28 AM PDT by Running On Empty
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To: Mad Dawg

Wow! Bump for an incredible post :)


90 posted on 10/05/2006 5:30:56 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: Jaysun; All

Here is the entirety of the Church's teaching on Mary, called the Four Marian Dogmas. Note nothing about deification.

Immaculate Conception - conceived without original sin.
Bible, Angel Gabriel, "Hail Mary full of Grace", and confirmed by revealed truth, and ultimately by Mary herself at Lourdes.

Virgin Birth - again, scriptural and verified by revealed truth.

Mother of God - that's a pretty darn good reason to hold her in very high esteem!

Assumption into Heaven - where she now resides as Queen of Heaven.



LITANY of LORETO


Lord, have mercy on us. Christ have mercy on us.

Lord, have mercy on us. Christ, hear us. Christ graciously hear us.

God, the Father of heaven, have mercy on us.

God the Son, Redeemer of the world, have mercy on us.

God the Holy Ghost, have mercy on us.

Holy Trinity, one God, have mercy on us.

Holy Mary, pray for us.

Holy Mother of God, pray for us.

Holy Virgin of virgins, pray for us.

Mother of Christ, pray for us.

Mother of divine grace, pray for us.

Mother most pure, pray for us.

Mother most chaste, pray for us.

Mother inviolate, pray for us.

Mother undefiled, pray for us.

Mother most amiable, pray for us.

Mother most admirable, pray for us.

Mother of good counsel, pray for us.

Mother of our Creator, pray for us.

Mother of our Savior, pray for us.

Virgin most prudent, pray for us.

Virgin most venerable, pray for us.

Virgin most renouned, pray for us.

Virgin most powerful, pray for us.

Virgin most merciful, pray for us.

Virgin most faithful, pray for us.

Mirror of justice, pray for us.

Seat of wisdom, pray for us.

Cause of our joy, pray for us.

Spiritual vessel, pray for us.

Vessel of honor, pray for us.

Singular vessel of devotion, pray for us.

Mystical rose, pray for us.

Tower of David, pray for us.

Tower of ivory, pray for us.

House of gold, pray for us.

Ark of the covenant, pray for us.

Gate of heaven, pray for us.

Morning star, pray for us.

Health of the sick, pray for us.

Refuge of sinners, pray for us.

Comforter of the afflicted, pray for us.

Help of Christians, pray for us.

Queen of Angels, pray for us.

Queen of Patriarchs, pray for us.

Queen of Prophets, pray for us.

Queen of Apostles, pray for us.

Queen of Martyrs, pray for us.

Queen of Confessors, pray for us.

Queen of Virgins, pray for us.

Queen of all Saints, pray for us.

Queen conceived without original sin, pray for us.

Queen assumed into heaven, pray for us.

Queen of the most holy Rosary, pray for us.

Queen of Peace, pray for us.

Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world,
spare us, O Lord.

Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world,
graciously hear us O Lord

Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world,
have mercy on us.

V. Pray for us, O holy Mother of God.
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.


91 posted on 10/05/2006 8:37:19 PM PDT by baa39 (Quid hoc ad aeternitatem?)
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To: baa39

El Bump-O

Beautiful Post.


92 posted on 10/05/2006 10:52:14 PM PDT by Global2010 (Tag line went fishing.)
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To: bethelgrad
Thanks for posting the Creed in Latin. I don't know latin, but I know the creed. I'm inspired to memorize it in Latin! The electronic Virtual Rosary http://www.virtualrosary.org/ has electronic copies of the rosary including Latin prayers. When I joined the KofC, I vowed to carry the Rosary always. I carry a finger rosary on my keychain, and the Virtual Rosary on my Palm Lifedrive. That way, if you wish, you will always have a Latin version handy.
93 posted on 10/06/2006 1:26:32 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (When you believe in nothing, then everything is acceptable.)
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To: baa39

This NOT meant to offend, just trying to understand a subject (Catholocism) I admittedly know little about.

I have a hard time making the leap from the Immaculate Conception to the fact that Mary herself was born without sin. Otherwise, Romans 3:10 would have to add "except Mary" ("As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one") to it, which it clearly doesn't.

Likewise, I find it hard to show in Scripture where anyone, much less Mary, has ascended into Heaven. See Joh 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

I think part of the reason non-Catholics have trouble understand Catholic doctrine is the overall point that Catholic teachings are "not based strictly on the Sacred Scriptures" as the author of the original post noted. When you add human elements to a divine book, human nature can too easily modify, change or distort the intended meaning. I feel this is as much an issue in virtually every Protestant religion as well. Everyone, well intentioned as they may be, is interested in giving their intepretation of what scripture says instead of allowing the scripture to interpret itself through other scriptures.

My 2 cents...

God bless.


94 posted on 10/06/2006 2:26:50 PM PDT by CantBeRightAllTheTime (Only someone truly arrogant would believe that they have all the answers to every question)
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To: Jaysun

What wonderful comments you sent my way via FreepMail. Perhaps I can share them with the others on this thread:




"Original message by Jaysun regarding I Believe [Apostle's Creed] received 2006-10-06 01:11:52

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"Right. To hell with the Bible and all, right? It's just as absurd, from a Biblical standpoint, that you should pray to the dead. To accept things that aren't Biblical is to open yourself up to anything. Shutup. Leave me alone. I stand by the Bible. If that makes me a "radical" or anything else then I say to hell with you. You're commitment to anything but the Bible makes you the likely candidate as the whore of Babalon. Anyway, if you consider someone that believes in scripture an enemy so be it. In that case, f____ (censored) off."




Not only is the grammar bad, the points are off-base, too. Fine example of following Christ's teaching. Is this what's taught at Bubba's Church of the Almighty Dollar?


95 posted on 10/06/2006 9:06:02 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: CantBeRightAllTheTime

Um, Moses and Elijah. Don't they count?

Mary was hand picked to be the mother of God, what's so hard about understanding that. The best explanation I've heard about Immaculate Conception is.... Say you're walking through the forest and there is a deep hole. You fall into it. You have to wait for someone to help you out. Everytime you walk through the forest you fall in and always have to wait. Mary goes strolling through the forest and comes upon the hole. She is prevented from falling in the hole that she otherwise would have. (that's my best shot, I need more caffiene)


96 posted on 10/09/2006 1:42:53 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Salvation; pinkpanther111; CurtisLeMay; theothercheek; kiriath_jearim; Gadfly-At-Large; ...

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97 posted on 01/04/2007 8:33:57 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Jaysun
Because some Catholics are dangerously close, in my opinion, of worshiping her in place of Jesus Christ. I've seen it firsthand

I doubt you can see what is in their hearts.

98 posted on 01/04/2007 8:59:12 PM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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To: CantBeRightAllTheTime

Was Eve born in sin?


99 posted on 01/04/2007 9:00:14 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Salvation

I pray that Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholics come together. We need to.


100 posted on 01/05/2007 5:40:14 AM PST by SQUID
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