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Darwin on the Right: Why Christians and conservatives should accept evolution
Scientific American ^ | October 2006 issue | Michael Shermer

Posted on 09/18/2006 1:51:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

According to a 2005 Pew Research Center poll, 70 percent of evangelical Christians believe that living beings have always existed in their present form, compared with 32 percent of Protestants and 31 percent of Catholics. Politically, 60 percent of Republicans are creationists, whereas only 11 percent accept evolution, compared with 29 percent of Democrats who are creationists and 44 percent who accept evolution. A 2005 Harris Poll found that 63 percent of liberals but only 37 percent of conservatives believe that humans and apes have a common ancestry. What these figures confirm for us is that there are religious and political reasons for rejecting evolution. Can one be a conservative Christian and a Darwinian? Yes. Here's how.

1. Evolution fits well with good theology. Christians believe in an omniscient and omnipotent God. What difference does it make when God created the universe--10,000 years ago or 10,000,000,000 years ago? The glory of the creation commands reverence regardless of how many zeroes in the date. And what difference does it make how God created life--spoken word or natural forces? The grandeur of life's complexity elicits awe regardless of what creative processes were employed. Christians (indeed, all faiths) should embrace modern science for what it has done to reveal the magnificence of the divine in a depth and detail unmatched by ancient texts.

2. Creationism is bad theology. The watchmaker God of intelligent-design creationism is delimited to being a garage tinkerer piecing together life out of available parts. This God is just a genetic engineer slightly more advanced than we are. An omniscient and omnipotent God must be above such humanlike constraints. As Protestant theologian Langdon Gilkey wrote, "The Christian idea, far from merely representing a primitive anthropomorphic projection of human art upon the cosmos, systematically repudiates all direct analogy from human art." Calling God a watchmaker is belittling.

3. Evolution explains original sin and the Christian model of human nature. As a social primate, we evolved within-group amity and between-group enmity. By nature, then, we are cooperative and competitive, altruistic and selfish, greedy and generous, peaceful and bellicose; in short, good and evil. Moral codes and a society based on the rule of law are necessary to accentuate the positive and attenuate the negative sides of our evolved nature.

4. Evolution explains family values. The following characteristics are the foundation of families and societies and are shared by humans and other social mammals: attachment and bonding, cooperation and reciprocity, sympathy and empathy, conflict resolution, community concern and reputation anxiety, and response to group social norms. As a social primate species, we evolved morality to enhance the survival of both family and community. Subsequently, religions designed moral codes based on our evolved moral natures.

5. Evolution accounts for specific Christian moral precepts. Much of Christian morality has to do with human relationships, most notably truth telling and marital fidelity, because the violation of these principles causes a severe breakdown in trust, which is the foundation of family and community. Evolution describes how we developed into pair-bonded primates and how adultery violates trust. Likewise, truth telling is vital for trust in our society, so lying is a sin.

6. Evolution explains conservative free-market economics. Charles Darwin's "natural selection" is precisely parallel to Adam Smith's "invisible hand." Darwin showed how complex design and ecological balance were unintended consequences of competition among individual organisms. Smith showed how national wealth and social harmony were unintended consequences of competition among individual people. Nature's economy mirrors society's economy. Both are designed from the bottom up, not the top down.

Because the theory of evolution provides a scientific foundation for the core values shared by most Christians and conservatives, it should be embraced. The senseless conflict between science and religion must end now, or else, as the Book of Proverbs (11:29) warned: "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind."


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To: PatrickHenry
What difference does it make when God created the universe--10,000 years ago or 10,000,000,000 years ago

It makes a HUGE difference. Who do you believe when He created the universe, some scientist or The Creator?

And what difference does it make how God created life--spoken word or natural forces?

It makes a HUGE difference. One either believes The Word of God or they don't. If one doesn't believe The Ever Living, All Righteous. Almighty God when He said He spoke the Universe into existence, then they do not follow His teachings and, therefore, is not a Christian. They can 'claim' to be Christian but it doesn't make them one. They discount His Word for their 'own truths'; self-righteousness, pride - saying they know more than The Creator.

Being a Christian doesn't mean believing there is a God, it means believing IN HIM and His Living Word and following His teachings.
441 posted on 09/19/2006 8:27:26 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Warrior of Justice
EVERY evolutionist I've ever met or read has said some version of what I posted with the accompanying scietific jargon attached.

Please provide a reference for this claim.

WHY are you evolutionist trying to weasel out of this.

I am attempting to weasel out of nothing. It appears that you are confusing your misconceptions regarding the theory of evolution with attempts by others to "weasel".

Either you believe that things evolved by CHANCE/ACCIDENT over time OR there is a DESIGNER.

You are misrepresenting the means by which evolution occurs and, as such, are suggesting a false dichotomy.
443 posted on 09/19/2006 8:29:32 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
Ample documentation is available, collected throughout the past 150 years.

Documentation of whatever straws may be grasped which seem to support Evolution is not, as I think you know, documentation of the testing required by the scientific process. Even more to the point of qualifying as a scientific theory, the theory has to be testable in the first place.

And there in that void of testability and testing, we find that at the core of Evolution theory is materialist philosophical presupposition.

444 posted on 09/19/2006 8:29:57 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: Warrior of Justice
- Look, the dates and facts have only been off by 10-50 years,

You suggested that carbon dating produced an age of "millions" of years. That is demonstratably impossible, and it is inaccurate by more than several hundred thousand years from the maximum age that carbon dating can detect. This shows that your recollection of the dating is inaccurate. You have also provided no references to support your claim that Neandertal man was discovered to be a human suffering from arthritis.
447 posted on 09/19/2006 8:32:23 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: unspun
Documentation of whatever straws may be grasped which seem to support Evolution is not, as I think you know, documentation of the testing required by the scientific process. Even more to the point of qualifying as a scientific theory, the theory has to be testable in the first place.

You have provided no evidence to show that the documentation is of "straws". An examination of your posting history shows that you have made inaccurate statements on this subject in the past, and that you provide no substantitative responses when your errors are corrected.
448 posted on 09/19/2006 8:34:07 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Warrior of Justice
- I've already dealt with that. You may have to go back and look for it, but it's there. [Referring to archaeological evidence for a global flood]

Please cite a post. Its too late for a scavenger hunt.

How do you explain the skeleton from On-Your-Knees-Cave in southern Alaska dated to some 10,000 years ago, which, when tested for mtDNA, had the exact same haplotype as the living local villagers?

To most folks, this suggests a continuity of occupation for some 10,000 years, with no break at 2350 BC, the most commonly cited date of the "global flood."

And, the mtDNA haplogroup is a Native American type, not one associated with the Middle East (such as Noah's spouse etc. would have had).

There are other examples of this same phenomenon from the western US if you want.

Archaeology also fails to find evidence of a flood covering the western US at 2350 BC, although a series of floods did hit eastern Washington at the end of the last ice age (google: channeled scablands). These are pretty well understood in terms of date and extent. This shows that a more recent, and far larger, flood could not have happened.

The only conclusion science can draw from this is there was no global flood.

449 posted on 09/19/2006 8:34:19 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Warrior of Justice

mlc9852?


450 posted on 09/19/2006 8:34:58 PM PDT by Quark2005 ("Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs." -Matthew 7:6)
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To: Religion Moderator

I don't read minds - I read posts.
I am able to draw conclusions from such data.
however... your forum, your rules. I wish you joy in them. adieu.


451 posted on 09/19/2006 8:36:10 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: Virginia-American
It happens, but it's much more common for anti-evolution activists to lie than for scientists to lie.

Find some examples or withdraw the claim.

In the first sentence you agree with me and in the second you still want proof?

452 posted on 09/19/2006 8:39:56 PM PDT by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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This trash does not even deserve the light of day. Example; not one mention of Jesus Christ, Lord and Saviour of all Christians and the only reason we even have Christianity.

There are numerous passages in scripture to refute all of this. Keep this kind of nonsense in the category of 'agenda driven science fiction'.

453 posted on 09/19/2006 8:40:57 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: NewLand; Religion Moderator
There are numerous passages in scripture to refute all of this. Keep this kind of nonsense in the category of 'agenda driven science fiction'.

complain to the Religion Moderator - for it was the RM who moved this thread into the religion forum.

454 posted on 09/19/2006 8:43:27 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout
do you share my suspicion about this poster?

Poe's Law comes to mind.

455 posted on 09/19/2006 8:43:40 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: King Prout
for it was the RM who moved this thread into the religion forum.

That is a false statement. I did not move the thread to the Religion Forum.
456 posted on 09/19/2006 8:45:38 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: dread78645

"Poe's Law"?
never heard of it.
wait...
google.......
wikipedia.......
ah!

"Without the use of a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to make a parody of Fundamentalism that someone won't mistake for the real thing."

yes... this dictum seems beyond contestation.


457 posted on 09/19/2006 8:46:05 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout; Religion Moderator

I have no problem with the moderator or their actions.


458 posted on 09/19/2006 8:48:02 PM PDT by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: Quark2005

Smells right.


459 posted on 09/19/2006 8:50:36 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Therefore God, did not create man in an instant

That's according to your mere mortal understanding - not according to The Almighty! Why is it man feels he knows more than His Creator?
460 posted on 09/19/2006 8:52:15 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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