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To: Mrs. Don-o
You are bearing false witness.

Down the road from me is a hay field where sometime in the past someone said they saw a vision of Mary. Now, there is a statue of Mary in that field. I watch people come there, kneel down before that statue and pray. Afterward, they put money in a box protected by wire hardware cloth.

I say it as I see it. That is not false witness. If I were to say it, having not seen it, that would be false witness.

Did any of the Israelites kneel and worship these cherubims, pray to them, sacrifice material possessions to them?

Worship - a feeling of profound love and admiration - show devotion to (a deity) - love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; venerate as an idol.

249 posted on 09/10/2006 12:16:45 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
Whether the people who saw a dubius vision in a hayfield, put up a statue, and made gestures of veneration to it were worshipping it or not, I don't know. I don't even know if they were Catholic, or claimed to be. There are plenty of spurious apparitions, not approved by the Church; and there are superstitious people who pay no heed to the commandments and doctrines we have from Christ.

What I can say for sure is that the Catholic church has carefully defined what "adoration" is, and carefully distinguishes it from honor, veneration, and other forms of respect. The Church teaches that adoration ("latria") must never be offered to any creature, but to the Creator alone.

If you want to criticize idolatry, fine; but do not attribute it to the Catholic Church which already condemns it.

250 posted on 09/10/2006 1:32:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Cordially.)
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