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To: NYer

I don't know why anyone would want to belong to an organization that is celebate, excludes women, and has a reputation for pedophilia.


5 posted on 09/02/2006 7:02:42 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: cloud8

Have there been pedophiles in other carreers? Or even in ministers of other religions?

Why are you throwing stones? (Before checking out your own line of religion?)


8 posted on 09/02/2006 7:13:55 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: cloud8
I don't know why anyone would want to belong to an organization that is celebate, excludes women, and has a reputation for pedophilia.

Of which organization are you referring? Recently, a Jewish rabbi was arrested in Albany on charges of pedophilia. A Penn State historian, Philip Jenkins, has done an in depth research of pedophilia and sexual abuse among the clergy and has come up with some rather eye opening facts.  It seems that while 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy have been guilty of pedophilia (or sexual abuse particularly of boys), a whopping TEN percent of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia! source

And these statistics don't begin to touch on the number of educators who prey on children.

As for the discipline of celibacy, many non religious practice a celibate lifestyle.

11 posted on 09/02/2006 7:22:50 AM PDT by NYer ("That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah." Hillel)
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To: cloud8
I don't know why anyone would want to belong to an organization that is celebate, excludes women, and has a reputation for pedophilia.

Let's see, Jesus was celibate, chose only men for his disciples, and was criticized for socializing with tax collectors and prostitutes.

So, they nailed him to a cross.

And he redeemed the world.

15 posted on 09/02/2006 8:42:12 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: cloud8

Read some facts especailly the third paragraph:

"Consider the statistics: In accordance with a requirement of President Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act, in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

“[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?” she said. “The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”

So, in order to better protect children, did media outlets start hounding the worse menace of the school systems, with headlines about a “Nationwide Teacher Molestation Cover-up” and by asking “Are Ed Schools Producing Pedophiles?”

No, they didn’t. That treatment was reserved for the Catholic Church, while the greater problem in the schools was ignored altogether.

As the National Catholic Register’s reporter Wayne Laugesen points out, the federal report said 422,000 California public-school students would be victims before graduation — a number that dwarfs the state’s entire Catholic-school enrollment of 143,000.

Yet, during the first half of 2002, the 61 largest newspapers in California ran nearly 2,000 stories about sexual abuse in Catholic institutions, mostly concerning past allegations. During the same period, those newspapers ran four stories about the federal government’s discovery of the much larger — and ongoing — abuse scandal in public schools.

A writer for The New York Times lurked online at pedophile chat rooms, and reported this summer about the chilling way pedophiles convince themselves that children want to have sex with them and insinuate themselves into the lives of children.

The Times' Kurt Eichenwald explained that pedophiles often discuss their personal lives. They come from all walks of life, but they like to speak about how close their jobs take them to children. “The most frequent job mentioned, however, was schoolteacher,” he wrote. “A number of self-described teachers shared detailed observations about children in their classes, including events they considered sexual, like a second-grade boy holding his crotch during class.”

The media have left many with the impression that sexual abuse is a Catholic problem — as if Catholic beliefs and customs make sex abuse inevitable. Church teaching for its part is clear: Sexual abuse of minors is always wrong. A more likely culprit would be a non-religious ambivalence about the pedophilia, as seen, for instance, in the media’s refusal to broaden its scope to include teachers when considering the issue.

In 1992, the National Victim Center estimated that 29 percent of all forcible rapes in America were against children under age 11. More than a decade later, an estimated 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 7 boys are victims of unwanted sexual acts.

The 2002 Department of Education report estimated that from 6 percent to 10 percent of all students in public schools would be victims of abuse before graduation — a staggering statistic.

Yet, outside the Catholic Church, the reaction is increasingly accommodation instead of outrage.

The April 17, 2002, issue of USA Today featured an article titled “Sex Between Adults and Children” — a euphemistic way of referring to child molestation. Under the headline was a ballot-like box suggesting possible opinions one might hold on the subject: “always harmful, usually harmful, sometimes harmful, rarely harmful.” The newspaper’s answer: “Child’s age and maturity make for gray areas.”"


18 posted on 09/02/2006 10:41:40 AM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: cloud8

I don't know why anyone would want to do a driveby attack on an organization without identifying him or herself (and what religious faith to which he/she belongs).

That's just cowardly.


23 posted on 09/02/2006 2:33:59 PM PDT by AlaninSA ("Beware the fury of a patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: cloud8

Yeah! Just like female teachers now have a reputation for pedophilia, right?






What a jerk.


24 posted on 09/02/2006 2:52:56 PM PDT by It's me
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To: cloud8

Well, there are over 1 Billion who do, so maybe you are missing something. I wonder what would make you post this statement--other than to start an argument. I will pray for you.


25 posted on 09/02/2006 3:38:44 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: cloud8
I don't know why anyone would want to belong to an organization that is celebate, excludes women, and has a reputation for pedophilia.

Wow. You're in way over your head. You should probably go back to DU.

BTW, learn how to spell 'celibate'.
40 posted on 09/03/2006 1:58:35 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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