Posted on 09/01/2006 5:32:18 AM PDT by xzins
Thus saith the Lord, "Phooey." No, don't think so, lol
Possible. I think it's Yiddish. :-)
Phooey! fooey, pfui - Designates disbelief, distaste, contempt
Well, this prophecy by Kim is odd at best. I have heard him do these things on TV and I never can understand what he is saying. How can we judge if he is correct when he is so vague? For me personally, I have no faith in his prophecies.
Seems like statdard issue with the "signs and wonders" crowd. I can't makes heads or tails of anything on that site. It's all a lot of gibberish.
Now what is not to understand about this?:-)
I must say they have the DONATE buttons where one can't help but find them and understand! :-)
I mean no offense to those who do believe this Kim guy is for real, but I have never been able to grasp his meanings.
Oh my, I just noticed I made those comments on post #666! Yikes! :-)
The essence of Dispensationalism is recognizing the difference between the church and Israel.
Thus my objection to the faulty poll listed in #481. Various assorted rapturists were listed as dispensationalists, including post-tribbers.
It is a universal tribulation.
Matthew is speaking directly to the Jews, being a Gospel to the Jews.
In Luke, the Gospel to the Gentiles, we find the universal nature of the Tribulation.
And there shall be signs in the sun and in the moon, and in the stars, and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and waves roaring. Men's hearts shall failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of earth heaven shall be shaken. (Lk.21:25-26)
You are correct.
You cannot call yourself a 'dispensationalist' if you think the church is going to go through the Tribulation, which is for the judgement of Israel.
Leaving out the rapture or placing it at the end of it, means that the church is going through the Tribulation.
Nothing above is said about the rapture or the Jewish rule in the Millennium.(Davidic Covenant)
They arrive at that conclusion biblically, and it is based, if I remember correctly, on the sequence of events and persons present at the time of Jesus' return. I had a good friend, a Conservative Baptist, who was solidly post-trib, and very skilled in explaining it biblically.
My concern with it is based more on who inhabits the land after the return of Christ, than it is on whether or not Christians suffer persecution in the tribulation. One can make a number of points about Christians and tribulation and about Christians being protected but present.
And he considered himself a Dispensationalist?
My concern with it is based more on who inhabits the land after the return of Christ, than it is on whether or not Christians suffer persecution in the tribulation. One can make a number of points about Christians and tribulation and about Christians being protected but present.
The issue is crucial since the Church is the Bride of Christ, not Israel, for whom the Tribulation is meant.
Christians will be at the Judgement seat of Christ and then the wedding of the Lamb (2Cor.5:10, Rev.19:7-9), not being persecuted.
It is the saved Jews and Gentiles, who 'endure to the end' who await Christ's return to enter into the Millennium.
He absolutely considered himself dispensational. I'll have to see if I can find the biblical logic on the web. It's been since 1995 that we've talked. He was unususal for a Conservative Baptist, and it caused him some distress with his denomination, because the are pre-trib rapturists, pretty much from top to bottom.
I'm glad you recognize that, in the futurist dispensational scheme, the tribulation is for the "judgment of Israel."
Perhaps you can answer the question; for what is Israel being judged?
Walvoord wrote:
The purge of Israel in their time of trouble is described by Zechariah in these words: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried" (Zechariah 13:8, 9). According to Zechariah's prophecy, two thirds of the children of Israel in the land will perish, but the one third that are left will be refined and be awaiting the deliverance of God at the second coming of Christ which is described in the next chapter of Zechariah.Some of the dispensationalist thinkers here have been reluctant to answer that question.
The pre-tribulational rapture is the key to dispensational eschatology. The pre-tribulational rapture separates dispensationalism from other forms of premillennialism as well as amillennialism and postmillennialism. This is what makes it a "fourth view" of eschatology.[10] According to dispensationalism, prior to the rapture, Israel has no prophetic significance. This is carried to a consistent extreme by some dispensationalists who claim that Jews once again must be ejected from their homeland and brought back as believing Israelites. Dr. Paige Patterson stated this position on a Dallas, Texas, radio program (KCBI) on May 15, 1991. He said:The present state of Israel is not the final form. The present state of Israel will be lost, eventually, and Israel will be run out of the land again, only to return when they accept the Messiah as Savior.It is only in this way, so the theory goes, that the prophecies concerning Israel's restoration can literally be fulfilled in prophetic time, that is, after the rapture of the church. Israel's expulsion occurs prior to the rapture with the church looking on. Would Christians be fighting against God if they helped the Jews hold on to their land? Would they be anti-semitic if they allowed prophecy to unfold and saw millions of Jews persecuted by their enemies?[10] Robert G. Clouse, ed., The Meaning of the Millennium: Four Views (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1977).
a, b, c, d, or e?
PM, why is it that some won't answer a simple question about whether the waters in Egypt turned to blood?
The scripture says it turned to blood.
I wonder if they think the staff turned into a snake?
Here's a simple question: Did the staff turn into a snake?
Yes
No
Yes.
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