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Heretical Hymns? (Sacred songs that contradict church teachings)
Catholic Education ^ | August 29, 2006 | George Weigel

Posted on 08/29/2006 1:08:37 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Salvation

Every verse and phrase of AMAZING GRACE IS PRECIOUS, TO ME.


61 posted on 08/29/2006 3:07:06 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

No, I just don't like the tune.


62 posted on 08/29/2006 3:08:47 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Xenalyte

The old crusty Navy Chief at the CREDO workshops at the WMCA ranch house above San Diego used to love to wake the particpants up with BAGPIPES AMAZING GRACE ABOUT 0530 mornings of the weekend.

Did quite well at top volume.


63 posted on 08/29/2006 3:09:19 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: bonfire

Hmmmmmm.

Ah well.

For many of us, a few bars of the tune are sufficient for a spiritual blessing.


64 posted on 08/29/2006 3:11:07 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
Bagpipes really only work well at top volume!

Always loved bagpipes, perhaps one of my ancestors was a confused Scott who wandered to far south!
65 posted on 08/29/2006 3:12:30 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel; Charles Henrickson

"Earth and all Stars"!

Hate to say it, I have a soft spot for that one. Bad lyrics and bad message, but for some reason I find myself humming it every once in a while.

No accounting for taste I guess.


66 posted on 08/29/2006 3:15:26 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: bonfire

Short explanation:

Do the words point us to "Christ and Him, crucified" or to God's creation?


67 posted on 08/29/2006 3:16:52 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Scatology is Serendipitous)
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To: redgolum

Not my favorite sound but sometimes I enjoy them. My Mother's Mother was a Campbell.


68 posted on 08/29/2006 3:18:00 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

Andrews here.


69 posted on 08/29/2006 3:19:01 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Quix

My great grandfather was from England. I try to blame most of my excentricies on him.


70 posted on 08/29/2006 3:19:50 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Haven't sung it in years but from what I remember, God's creation. And all that man does is to the glory of God.

I'll have to look up the words.


71 posted on 08/29/2006 3:20:54 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: bonfire

Howdy, Bro.

Sorry to differ! But guess I do.


72 posted on 08/29/2006 3:23:26 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: redgolum

I'm not like my relatives on either side.

Just me.


73 posted on 08/29/2006 3:23:58 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix

lol I love the "hymn" threads!

Hope all is well with you.


74 posted on 08/29/2006 3:24:35 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Charles Henrickson
You must be reading my mind. ;^) I always make sarcastic remarks about "Shine Jesus Shine" and just did this morning. Agreed, it's awful and it's empty.

Personally, I refuse to attend contemporary worship but have certainly heard both songs if I've been in the building during that service.

I'm passing your versions along, if you don't mind. Thank you Pastor Henrickson.

75 posted on 08/29/2006 3:25:16 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: NYer
If a Proddie may butt in here, I just heard that a lot of the Churches are taking all references to "blood" out of the hymnals so as not to offend anyone. That just disgusts me.
76 posted on 08/29/2006 3:25:56 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftists, the enemy within.)
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To: Quix
A Baptist PhD boss; ex Navy wing CDR refused to sing "such a worm as I" and sang instead "such a man as I." I think he missed out on some spiritual treasure and richness in that stance.

Slightly off topic here, but this has always bothered me. If we're created in the image and likeness of God, why do some non-Catholics consider yourselves as "worms?"

As Catholics we are taught:

356 Of all visible creatures only man is "able to know and love his creator". He is "the only creature on earth that God has willed for its own sake",and he alone is called to share, by knowledge and love, in God's own life. It was for this end that he was created, and this is the fundamental reason for his dignity

357 Being in the image of God the human individual possesses the dignity of a person, who is not just something, but someone. He is capable of self-knowledge, of self-possession and of freely giving himself and entering into communion with other persons. And he is called by grace to a covenant with his Creator, to offer him a response of faith and love that no other creature can give in his stead.

You are not some lowly worm, but a marvellous creation of the Almighty God.

77 posted on 08/29/2006 3:32:10 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: gracebeliever

Didn't the Seraphim have a set of six wings?


78 posted on 08/29/2006 3:34:18 PM PDT by Eepsy (Hocus pocus alamagocus!)
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To: ladyinred
That just disgusts me.

Me too. I'm so upset with so many things that are happening in the churches I could type for three days straight.

What is sad is that with all the seeker-centered mega churches out there, people that are very new and not grounded in the Word think it is perfectly okay. After all, what is their frame of reference but a stage instead of an altar and happy talk sermons? Why bring up a topic like suffering and ruin a perfectly good concert? < /sarcasm >

79 posted on 08/29/2006 3:51:19 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: NYer

While I agree in general, even in our condemnations of the terrible we should be just.

I think "I am the bread of Life" is almost entirely a cento of verses from the Bread of Life discourse. I think singing Scripure isn't a priori bad. We're no more pretending to be our Lord than St. John was when he wrote the passage. In principle it should be okay.

BUt why we have to sing tripe mystifies me. It's like the defense given to Judge Carswell - that the mediocre should be represnted like everybody else. Nope. Hymns should be the best we have, for many reasons, not the least of which is that hymns may be the one opportunity a lot of people have to listen to and to sing good music. (Same goes for translations of Scripture.)


80 posted on 08/29/2006 4:05:31 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Reality is not optional.)
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