Posted on 08/20/2006 2:57:35 PM PDT by Meletus
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Mohammed’s Koran 2:190-191 “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight and persecute you, but commit no aggression ... and slay them when and where you get the better of them” 2:193 “Fight them until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah.” 2:216 “Fighting has been ordained for you.” 2:244 “Fight in the cause of Allah.” 3:12 “Say to those who disbelieve, “You shall soon be overcome and gathered together to be driven towards hell.” 3:32: “Allah does not love the disbelievers.” 3:141 “And ... Allah will wipe off the disbelievers gradually.” 3:148 “Lord grant us victory over the disbelieving people.” 3:151-152 “We shall certainly strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. .. and certainly Allah had made good his promise to you when you were slaying them to pieces by his permission.” 4:74 “Let those who would prefer the hereafter to the present life, fight in the cause of Allah.” 4:76 “Fight against the friends of satan.” 4:77 “Fighting has been made binding” 4:84 “Urge on the faithful to fight.” 4:89 “If they turn back, then capture them and kill them wherever you find them, and do not take anyone of them as a friend or as a helper.” 4:91 “it is these [unbelievers] against whom we have given absolute authority.” 4:95 “Allah has indeed granted eminence to those who strive in his cause over those who stay at home.” 4:104 “Do not be slack in pursuing these disbelieving people.” 5:33 “The only recompense of those who make war against Allah and his messenger and who strive hard to create disorder in the land, is that they be executed or crucified to death, or that their hands or feet be cut off, or they be exiled.” 5:38 “As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands.” 8:12-13 “I will indeed strike terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So smite on your enemy’s necks and above these on their heads and strike off all their fingertips. This punishment is given them because they opposed Allah and his Messenger, and whosoever opposes Allah, for him, Allah is severe in punishment.” 8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies, ... 8:66 if there are a hundred of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred, and if a thousand, they will vanquish two thousand. 8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. 8:74 Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous. 9:5 slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush 9:12-14 But if they ... taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: ... that thus they may be restrained. What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first... . fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth 9:73 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. 9:86 When a chapter is revealed, enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive and fight along with His Messenger, those with wealth and influence among them ask thee for exemption, and say: “Leave us (behind): we would be with those who sit (at home).” ... 88 But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives. 9:123 O ye who believe! fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). 13:41 See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? 15:4 Never did we destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand. 5 No people can hasten on their doom nor can they postpone (it). |
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Jesus’ New Testament Matthew 5:7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 1 Peter 3:9 Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing. Matthew 5:43-45 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. Matthew 5:38-39 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; 1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none of you repays evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to all. 1 Peter 2:20-23 For what credit is it, if when you do wrong and are beaten for it you take it patiently? But if when you do right and suffer for it you take it patiently, you have God’s approval. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin; no guile was found on his lips. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten; but he trusted to him who judges justly. Luke 6:27-29 “But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. Romans 12:17-21 Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” No, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes. Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 1 Corinthians 4:12 and we labor, working with our own hands. When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure; 2 Corinthians 12:10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities; for when I am weak, then I am strong. 2 Timothy 3:12 Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, Mark 11:25 And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against any one; so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.” Luke 23:34 And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” And they cast lots to divide his garments. Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, Hebrews 12:14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord. Matthew 26:51-52 And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest, and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Acts 7:59-60 And as they were stoning Stephen, …he knelt down and cried with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingship is not of this world; if my kingship were of this world, my servants would fight, that I might not be handed over to the Jews; but my kingship is not from the world.” 1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of the faith; …. 2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. |
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The seventh Imam thing is a totaly different sec. It's part of a Shia cult spin off which developed in the 12th century.
Most of Islams basic religion is found in Ishaqs hadith,which is the oldest and ONLY record of Muhammads life and sayings. It's preserved (and bad stuff edited out) by the writtings of Tabari and Hisham, and further edited years later by Bukhari and his student, Muslim. All other, more modern writings are edited, modified, abrogated etc.
Islam is a syncretist religion, like Mormonism and a number of other odd heresies. Its founder had a "vision" that incorporated certain things from the religions found in his environment: practices from his own paganism, including the name of his god and the black rock with its vagina-shaped fertility symbol in Mecca; Levitical law from the Jews, along with the concept of a religiously dominated state (although Mo was a theocrat and Judaism had never been a theocracy, strictly speaking) coupled with a bit of OT conquest talk that the Jews had long understood as symbolic; and the Christian concept of a non-racial, non-geographical, non-bloodlinked religion that grew through proselytism.
Granted, his idea of proselytism was based upon the sword and force and violence, totally opposed to Christianity. But essentially, he was a syncretist who just happened to come along at the right time in the right place, when the Roman Empire had fallen, the Church was weakened by the Arian heresy, and there was no one to oppose him. It would be like having L. Ron Hubbard take over the US.
You have to be carefull about that stuff. There is a flaw with his thoery, and that is, he assumes, and takes the word of muslim scolars that the Koran was a written book in Arabic during mohammads time.
This isn't true. Arabic wasn't a written language during Mohammads time. Syriac was the local language during mohammads time, with Arabic just developing verbally, and also differently among the nomadic bedoin tribes in the region. He bases his theory on the earliest known written arabic which didn't appear for another 400 years after Mohammad. There are also many Islamic myths/tales, the validity of which he doesn't take into account. This is a work in progress and early conclusions shouldn't be drawn just yet. Note that the information on link you provide is
already a couple years old and not updated.
Mo didn't exist.
btttt
Islam has often been considered a Christian heresy and often been considered a Jewish heresy. Basically, it was a syncretist creation of its pagan founder, who revised it a couple of times with convenient visions when it wasn't getting him what he wanted (more booty). Islam is a cult, creating its own closed world with its own delirious and irrational standards, behaviors and society, just like the cult in California where all those nuts killed themselves after filling their pockets with quarters to call home from outer space.
But Islam was a cult that happened to come along at a time when the world was ripe for cults and there was no authority left in that geographical region strong enough to stifle it at birth. This is one of the very good reasons that the Church exercises authority in matters of faith. Had the Church stamped out Islam many centuries ago, it would have been to the benefit of us all. This shows the importance of objective truth and the value of authority.
I second that. As a matter of fact, I got my first lessons on Islam on 5 years ago next month.
It should be I got my first lessons on Islam 5 years ago next month.
Oh, he existed, make no mistake about that.
Also make no mistake, that one of the final surahs, or commands he made (or rather, was "handed down" to him from the Koran) was that it is commanded that after the conclusion of the holy months, Muslims should recommence the war against all mankind (Surah IX)-"Accordingly when the Sacred Months are past, then slay the Polytheists wherever ye find them, and take them and besiege them and lay wait for them with every ambuscade.(means of warfare).
Let no Islamic apologist try tell you it means something else, because it can't.
Interesting link in post #47. Did the Vatican have a hand in creating Islam?
bookmarked
Many have believed for a long time now, that Islam is actually a Christian heresy. Nothing new here. This guy could be just trying to sell books with an old story with a revised thesis. I guess I just don't like the title, because I know about the self hate that Europeans have for the West. I'm afraid Christianity will be blamed for Islamic fanaticism. And that would be really wrong.
I'm bookmarking this thread.
Don't cults normally self implode after a few years?
Thank you very much for the work. Arguably a top post of the year... or whatever hyperbolic label one would put on a post with more gravity than most.
After 450 years, the Vatican ran out of space to bury the dead so Pope Urban called a Crusade so we could steal some more land for burial plots so we could over-charge the families of martyrs. It was mor of the same old, same old.
It's all so esy when you just take the time to break it all down
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