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To: Rhadaghast
Can you please tell me why Paul would give 2 chapters on speaking in toungues when they would be gone?

I used to teach Baptists baptist theology. Then I actually read what the bible says and stopped listening to the Baptist theology. Perhaps you will aslo.

Since you are the teacher and I'm the student, how about you tell me...

106 posted on 08/17/2006 6:41:52 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
I would be glad to. The first thing you need to deal with is; not what tongues were, but have they stopped.

The verse given as statement of fact by the standard theology is 1 Cor 13:8-10.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

All of these items; Tongues, Prophecies, Knowledge were previously described in the preceding chapter, with instructions on their use. Therefore we have one point for their continuation. We have instructions for a church setting to continue the practice of speaking in tongues in specific parameters.

The second point in this progression is have they ceased? The standard protestant theology(SPT) states that they have based on Verses 8-10 above. However there is a condition to the practice having ceased. That condition is, when the perfect comes.

The SPT declares the perfect as the completed cannon of scripture. However, this statement violates SPT accepted practice of hermeneutics; i.e. scripture defines and clarifies scripture. Scripture does not declare what the perfection is. Therefore it is speculation that the perfection mentioned is the completed scriptures. No where in scripture is this clarified?

That makes the argument for ceasation of tongues SPT dogma and not theology.

Then we have the final point that is we are commanded to speak, pray in the Holy Spirit and seek spiritual gifts.

1 Cor 14: 1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.

Paul just said that prophecy would end, correct? Then why would he give us directions to eagerly desire it?

Simply because the perfect has not come yet.

Finally you have to deal with what tongues are:

If it is a known language, than why would Paul speaking to a congregation; that may have many different people able to speak different language, say he would not be understood except by God? This is a strong argument against tongues only being a known language.

Much more needs to be said on these topics, but the bottom line is: If God asked you to speak in tongues would you?

After attending Moody Bible Institute and getting a degree from William Tyndale College; I realized that the SPT was lacking in the very power of God they espoused.

Latter in my searching, I discovered that even our Catholic brothers and many other denominations were not so proud as to declare to God these dynamic gifts had ceased. They have charismatic congregations in the Catholic, Episcopal, Armenian, and Presbyterian churches.

I hope you can prayerfully consider these issues and read the word with clear eyes. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you his answer and not someone elses answer.

That is what this entire thread is about. Being led by His Spirit into all truth.
111 posted on 08/18/2006 5:46:32 AM PDT by Rhadaghast (Yeshua haMashiach hu Adonai Tsidkenu)
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