Posted on 08/16/2006 5:00:49 PM PDT by wagglebee
If Lincoln were alive today, he would be a McGovern Demonrat. If Jeff Davis, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, Longstreet, Judah P. Benjamin, and the other gentlemen of the South were alive today, they would be Republicans. Lincoln was a radical whose anti-Mexican War rhetoric was ripped off by McGoo without attribution (This chamber stands knee deep in blood, blah, blah, blah...). The Southerners were gentlemen. Few histories or biographies lionize the North and with many very good reasons.
The best thing about Lincoln was the last (Father Abraham) year of his life when the once rabidly anti-Mexican War one-term congressman finally choked on the gore he had perpetrated. By the time he was shot, he was shot for his virtues and not for his sins at the demand of corrupt cabinet officers like Stanton for signaling that there would be no "Reconstruction" and therefore no grand graft opportunity.
Excellent point.
Thanks.
Perhaps it is time to shed that tax exempt status.
Cry havoc and all that.
Most amusing.
Actually, if someone is widely known to engage in a type of behavior and one is trying to make it clear that the person's behavior is bad, it's often best to condemn the behavior without mention who's doing it. Doing that makes clear that the condemnation is against the behavior, rather than the person. Further, it makes it much harder for the person engaging in the behavior to weasel out of the accusation.
I am reminded of an ad that spoke of IIRC "greedy [anti-gun] mayors filing frivolous lawsuits", without mentioning any names. Funny how even though the ad didn't accuse anyone in particular, some mayors thought it was unfairly targeting them.
I think the issues need to be put more in terms of being pro-family than anti-contraception. A couple who refrains from sex to avoid having kids isn't IMHO more virtuous than one who decides to keep having sex (to the extent possible) despite having lots of kids, without needing to keep having more. And it should perhaps best be asked as a question: who will be the next generation?
Two other "good" bishops worth watching: Berskowitz in Nebraska, Vasa in Baker Diocese (eastern Oregon)
And most true.
No one makes you have more kids than you are willing to have. Why should you be concerned that others see moral obligations to be open to procreation????
Bishop Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Nebraska, and also Archbishop Raymond Burke of St. Louis and Bishop Thomas Olmsted of Phoenix, Arizona and Bishop Yanta of Amarillo, Texas, amng others.
Hardly. But very one sided, I'll grant you that. All you condemn Lincoln for was also done by Davis, and much worse was done by Davis as well. If anything Davis should be compared with Clinton and Carter and other memorable southern presidents.
b. Lincoln was not fit to clean Bobby Lee's latrine much less to steal his home. Or Stonewall Jackson's latrine for that matter.
c. Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson both opposed secession and favored continued "union" until the Commonwealth of Virginia was invaded.
If the early Republicans had chosen Seward instead of Lincoln, they would have been much wiser and there might well have been no invasion and no war.
BTW, as one example, pray tell ONE thing that Jeff Davis (admittedly a failed executive but not an enemy of HIS country such as Clinton and Carter) did that begins to resemble much less approach Sherman's "March to the Sea" the systematic waging of war against women, children, elderly and cripples while their men were fighting the tyranny. Do you deny that Sherman's purpose was to starve the South into submission and to otherwise do damage for its own sake by burning barns, homes and even libraries and looting anything valuable and transportable????
Where to begin? Income tax and the draft? Neither was unconstitutional when enacted, both were also enacted by Jefferson Davis. Suppression of the press? Wildly exaggerated by southron supporters and also done by Davis. Naval bombardment of Five Points? I love this one! How can I compete with you when your historical source is Gangs of New York? I'll bet you think all Five Point hookers look like Cameron Diaz, too. Suspension of the writ of habeas corpus in peaceful parts of the U.S.? Not found unconstitutional until 1865 and also done by Davis. Expelling a sitting congressman? Valandigham was not a sitting congressman, and Lincoln merely let him go where he would be more at home. Took the Davis government all of a few weeks to ship him off to Canada. Gross violations of international laws? I'd like to know which international laws exactly were being violated. Seizing Mason and Slidell? In the first place they were not ambassadors, certainly not viewed as such by any country in the world. In the second place their seizure was done without orders and the two men sent on their way. On Lincoln's orders. Legal secession? On the contrary it was illegal, as the Supreme Court ruled in 1869. And on and on and on.
But the funniest by far was suggesting that Jefferson Davis would be a Republican. Since Davis was first appointed and then 'elected' by running unopposed, implemented conscription, implemented an income tax and then tried to raise it to almost confiscatory levels, seized private property in the form of slave labor without compensation "for the war effort", forced private shipping firms to reserve large parts of their cargo for the government without compensation "for the war effort", placed a levy on agricultural produce without compensation "for the war effort", nationalized industries like salt and liquor and textile, declared martial law in sections of the country hundreds of miles away from the fighting, jailed opponents without trial, ignored his own constitution by refusing to implement the supreme court it required and by implementing a protective tariff, and launched a brutal and ultimately destructive war without consent of congress, then I think that Davis bears a much closer resemblance to other Southern presidents like Carter and Clinton and Johnson rather than Republican presidents like Reagan and Roosevelt and Lincoln.
Lincoln was not fit to clean Bobby Lee's latrine much less to steal his home. Or Stonewall Jackson's latrine for that matter.
Matter of opinion.
Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson both opposed secession and favored continued "union" until the Commonwealth of Virginia was invaded.
When was the invasion of Virgina?
The Signatura decides other matters in which doctrine may play a role such as violations of Canon Law by bishops in their disciplining of those in their jurisdiction.
Canon Law is the law of the Church which binds the faithful and is applied by the Signatura. It is available in one volume in Latin on the left-hand pages and in English translation on the right-hand pages in about 600 pages for less than $20.
Example: A former Archbishop of Hawaii excommunicated a number of conservative lay folks in his archdiocese when they publicly charged him with keeping a young homosexual lover in San Francisco. The announced excuse for the excommunication was their attendance at schismatic Masses. They appealed the excommunications and the archbishop's action was overturned definitively (I believe by the Signatura). Soon enough, Hawaii had a new archbishop to clean up the messes created by his corrupt predecessor.
Does the good Bishop feel the way you do about the Southern rebellion? Then why aren't you both showing your support by living in the occupied Southland? If not part of the occupied then aren't you by definition an occupier?
If the early Republicans had chosen Seward instead of Lincoln, they would have been much wiser and there might well have been no invasion and no war.
And you would still not be living in your confederate nirvana it seems. I would also point out that if the Davis regime had not fired on Sumter there might have been no war either.
Do you deny that Sherman's purpose was to starve the South into submission and to otherwise do damage for its own sake by burning barns, homes and even libraries and looting anything valuable and transportable????
I would have a harder time denying it if there was any evidence of the widespread starvation you talk of, and of the libraries and what not you say were destroyed wholesale, or of cities leveled and ares desolated.
He'll have Bruskewitz, Chaput, and several others in his corner. Probably about 25 altogether in the USA.
But that's TWICE the number of faithful Apostles!!
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