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To: fortheDeclaration; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; topcat54

If Christ is King of all things, all things being put under His feet by God Himself, then logically, as well as Scripturally, Christ is King of the church.

This nit-picking of the language seems to be a hold-over from Rome.

Have you read "The Catechism of the Catholic Faith?" I stumbled onto it on the internet recently. It is endless. And it reads like some of the dispensationalist's attempts to redefine clear Scripture and turn something very simple and straightforward into something almost incomprehensible.


761 posted on 09/08/2006 11:40:59 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
If Christ is King of all things, all things being put under His feet by God Himself, then logically, as well as Scripturally, Christ is King of the church. This nit-picking of the language seems to be a hold-over from Rome. Have you read "The Catechism of the Catholic Faith?" I stumbled onto it on the internet recently. It is endless. And it reads like some of the dispensationalist's attempts to redefine clear Scripture and turn something very simple and straightforward into something almost incomprehensible.

Christ states that the believer is linked to Him.

It is a faithful saying....if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself.(2Tim.2:13)

No word straining.

The wording is very clear.

The Christian is considered part of Christ's Body and thus, His very self.

In fact, Christ died for the Church, his bride (Eph.5:25).

The wording is too clear and that is what is upseting you.

Calvinism puts God far away from man.

Christianity brings God inside of the believer, in an intimate relationship with him.

766 posted on 09/08/2006 11:48:43 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Have you read "The Catechism of the Catholic Faith?" I stumbled onto it on the internet recently. It is endless. And it reads like some of the dispensationalist's attempts to redefine clear Scripture and turn something very simple and straightforward into something almost incomprehensible.

Show me where I have (as a Dispensationalist) redefined scripture.

It is Covenant/Calvinists who have to redefine clear scripture, drop context, and regarding eschatology, allegorize scripture, just like Augustine and Origen did.

774 posted on 09/08/2006 12:03:33 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; 1000 silverlings; topcat54
If Christ is King of all things, all things being put under His feet by God Himself, then logically, as well as Scripturally, Christ is King of the church. This nit-picking of the language seems to be a hold-over from Rome.

Amen! One has to wonder why the nit-picking of the Kingship of Christ? In briefly reading through the exchange everyone seems to be in agreement that Christ is King of ALL, so why wouldn't He be King of the Church as well as it's husband?

I think you're right that it does go back to the argument from Rome that they are the "true Church", co-equal with the rule of Christ, able to bind on earth. Christ is the husband, the Church His bride; co-ruling.

842 posted on 09/09/2006 2:32:55 AM PDT by HarleyD
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