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To: attiladhun2; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg; George W. Bush; topcat54
"The ceremonies of the Jews are both baneful and deadly to Christians, and whoever keeps them is Damned to the abyss of the Devil." ~~ I am assuming this is a statement of some reformer or other, John Calvin, perhaps? It makes no difference, since it is based on ignorance and gross anti-Semitism.

Well, the Arminian pseudo-"Protestants" and their Romanist allies will never miss the opportunity to commit the Sin of Slander against the good person of Saint John Calvin, now, will you?

Historically, of course, the fact of the matter is that Saint John Calvin was quite considerate and accomodating towards the Jews in his day, compared to the hateful Anti-Jewish vitriol of the Roman Catholics and the Non-Calvinist Protestants. But of course the Facts do not concern you... your obsessive desire, your emotional lodestone, is to cast aspersions upon the Christian Doctrine of Predestination -- and Saint John Calvin stands in your way, like the Archangel Uriel denying Fallen Man re-entry into Eden, with the harsh edge of his fiery sword.

I am, of course, NOT quoting John Calvin.

You could have checked my own citations to note that I am, in fact, quoting Saint Augustine: who is acknowledged by Romanists, Orthodox, and Protestants alike as the First Doctor of the Christian Church -- In other words, the only Saint whom all Christians everywhere universally agree was the greatest Theologian since the Apostles. But, please, go on getting jiggy with your bad self... I believe you were Bearing False Witness against John Calvin; please do continue.

That you would drag such a statement out is reprehensible. According to the logic (rather illogic) of it, Jesus Himself and His Apostles would be damned, since they faithfully kept those 'baneful and deadly ceremonies.' I suggest you search diligently for the rock you crawled out from under and cover yourself with it for a very long time.

Jesus Christ completed, fulfilled, and abolished the Ceremonies of the Jews; and His Apostles acting according to the Holy Spirit replaced the old and out-moded Rites of Circumcision and Seder with the New Covenant Sacraments of Baptism and Lord's Supper, which are (according to Jesus' Binding of the Strong Man, Matthew 12) freely offered to All Peoples regardless of Race or Ethnicity, and declared in the Epistle to the Galatians (Gal. 3:28) that henceforth any ideology which proposed any Racial Division of the Body of Christ whatsoever was Heretical, and Damned by God.

As I have said from the beginning of my Article -- if the statements which I have quoted were made by "Christian Identity" Pastors speaking of "The White Race", no Good-Faith Christian would have any problem whatsoever acknowledging such "Theology" to be Evil, Ugly, Heretical, and Just Plain Wrong.

The fact that these statements are, in fact, quoted from Dispensationalists, regarding a different Ethnic Group -- does not change the fact that the "Theology" of the Dispensationalists is Evil, Ugly, Heretical, and Just Plain Wrong.

Best, OP

407 posted on 08/28/2006 10:15:04 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; attiladhun2
Actually, OP, in your post #296 you DID attribute the quote to St. Augustine.

Some people just aren't paying enough attention.

410 posted on 08/28/2006 10:27:33 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Jesus abolished nothing. He fulfilled it. St Augustine is not inspired, and, yes, a statement such as this is reprehensible if spoken by anyone. I have worshipped with Messianic Jews who have willingly submitted themselves to the Law that they might win some of their people to the Lord Jesus. This is line with the philosophy of the Apostle Paul who admonished Jews who accepted the Messiah to remain Jews and Greeks who did so not to become Jews. Your "us-four-and-no-more" strategy would win few, if any. Also, I did not slander your Pope, John Calvin. First of all, you cannot slander a dead person. Secondly, I did not directly say it was attributed to your Pope.

BTW, I am willing to overlook certain antisemitic statements made by some of the Fathers and by the Reformers because they were children of their age. Modern Christians ought to have moved beyond such attitudes.

Also, I was not aware that the principles of the Reformation--solo fidi, sola scriptura, solo Christi--had been superceded by a new principle--solo Calvinus. This is"Evil, Ugly, Heretical, and Just Plain Wrong."

You also are guilty of using the fallacy of composition by arguing that since some dispensationalists teach such and such, that, therefore, taints all dispensationalists. Such broad brushing represents a number of these quasi-formal fallacies. It could be said also that your statements represent a dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter--the error of generalizing from the atypical.

Furthermore, your exegesis of Gal. 3:28 is atrocious. Your interpretion "that henceforth any ideology which proposed any Racial Division of the Body of Christ whatsoever was Heretical, and Damned by God" can no more be lifted from the text than by declaring that sexual differences are 'henceforth damned by God', the implication being that in order to be saved, we ought to be gender-benders!
415 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:12 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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