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To: Buggman; George W. Bush; jude24
Because it impedes our own spiritual progress and walk with God. It serves as an impediment to those with whom God intends us to be in full fellowship in Christ. ~~ Then for that reason alone, I would be right to call OP down.

There you go again, making it Personal.

For myself, as I have said before, I have never desired to make our theological disagreements Personal, Buggman.

I do not initiate Personal attacks against you, accusing you of ad hominems without warrant or accusing you of "not knowing how to debate" (even though I think I have enough experience to know the difference... a few years back, I coached my former Public School Debate Team for a few weeks. They won the next State Tournament in a clean sweep, and begged me to come back full-time. Some days, I'm tempted to do so; but I would really like to mentor Calvinists, so that my Good Works will benefit the One True Faith).

I like you, Bugg, and I haven't made our disagreements Personal between us; why must you?

If OP is going to draw a line in the sand, repeatedly calling God's damnation on all theologies that he doesn't happen to disagree with,

I have done no such thing. I have said only that Christ-Rejecting Religions (such as modern Judaism) are Hateful to Our Father in Heaven and are, therefore, Damned by God.

And that's what the Bible teaches! Why do you demand my "apologies" for preaching what the Bible teaches?!

then one can hardly object to my far more mild statement that his present words--projecting only pride and hate (and for which he has been called down by several who don't have a dog in this fight, including the Mod),

You are totally misrepresenting the Facts of the Case -- not to say, "Lying", or anything.

The Mod advised me that some Christians might find my occasional use of harsh verbiage in my argumentation (like "damn" and "hell" and other such Biblical words) offensive, and told me to cool it off a bit. I disagreed in Principle, since I do not accept the Pagan notion that certain syllables or constructions of sounds are inherently evil (booga-booga! abracadabra!), but I agreed to respect his Authority on the matter.

The Mod NEVER said that my statements "project only pride and hate"... he never said anything of the sort. You just made that up to buttress your own argument.

I will not, however, accuse you of Lying. I will NOT make this Personal between us, Buggman. I still like you. So do your worst.

and containing none of the respect and empathy that Sha'ul had for even the pagans of Athens, let alone for his own people--are of the Adversary.

Okay, so now you are basically saying (correct me if I am wrong; I do not wish to misrepresent) that "OP has Satan's words in his mouth".

Lemme check that, just to be sure:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what you're saying -- I am speaking the Words of Satan.

Gimme a break.

How's this for "The Words of the Adversary":

The fact is, Buggman, you don't really have a Personal problem with me.

What you have, unfortunately, is a Personal problem with the teachings of God, the Apostles, and the Fathers... because all that I'm saying, is repeating what they have said.

"Messianic Judaism", if divorced from the ancient landmarks of the Reformed Faith (Proverbs 23:10), is but another 19-Century and 20th-Century Religious Invention which attempts, to its own detriment, to deny the millennia-old heritage of Jesus Christ's Christian Church... like Mormonism and JW's and what have you. And the Apostles warned, throughout Acts and the Pauline Epistles, against the Heresy of Judaizing the Christian Faith.

Best, OP


"The ceremonies of the Jews are both baneful and deadly to Christians, and whoever keeps them is Damned to the abyss of the Devil."

296 posted on 08/24/2006 3:10:16 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
I know you. You hate to be left out of a good bar-fight.

Mea Maxima Culpa. Ping to my #296, with my apologies.

297 posted on 08/24/2006 3:13:09 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"The ceremonies of the Jews are both baneful and deadly to Christians, and whoever keeps them is Damned to the abyss of the Devil."

I am assuming this is a statement of some reformer or other, John Calvin, perhaps? It makes no difference, since it is based on ignorance and gross anti-Semitism. That you would drag such a statement out is reprehensible. According to the logic (rather illogic) of it, Jesus Himself and His Apostles would be damned, since they faithfully kept those 'baneful and deadly ceremonies.' I suggest you search diligently for the rock you crawled out from under and cover yourself with it for a very long time.
403 posted on 08/25/2006 12:11:03 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
...but I would really like to mentor Calvinists, so that my Good Works will benefit the One True Faith

Amen, OP.

"Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another" -- Romans 12:10

And may that number grow, as God wills.

408 posted on 08/28/2006 10:23:44 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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