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To: bornacatholic; George W. Bush
I found what I was looking for. Supercessionism is a form of the old Marcionite heresy ~~ Mark Shea... A Jewish commenter makes the common mistake of confusing Marcionism with Catholic teaching. Not surprising since so many Catholics do too. Supersessionism and the idea that the Old Testament is somehow revoked by the New is a big no-no in Catholic teaching.

You're dead wrong, and "Mark Shea" (some amateur with a blog -- certainly not one of the front line of modern Roman Catholic apologists, whoever he is) doesn't have a fig-leaf of a clue what he's talking about.

Marcionism is the ancient and evil heresy which proposed "Two Gods", the "Predestinating God" of the Old Testament versus the "Free Will Jesus" of the New Testament ~~ "that the G-d of the New Testament was only only 'a God of love'; completely 'non-judgmental'; therefore totally different from the God of the Old Testament, which he called the god of the Jews.... He also completely rejected the early Assemblies teachings concerning the Doctrines of Predestination and Election as found in Ephesians 1:4-15; John 1:12,13; John 6:44; Acts 13:48. This was how Marcion ridded himself of the Doctrines of Election and Predestination which could not be denied from Old Testament Scripture.(http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/3511/marcion.html)

Personally, "bornacatholic", I would say that in your hatred for the doctrines of Absolute Predestination and your own willingness to allow for an Unbiblical division between the Old Testament Church (Israel) and the New Testament Church (God's Israel), you're far closer to the evil heresy of Marcionism than any Calvinist.


HERE IS THE TRUTH -- Courtesy of Robert A. Sungenis of Catholic Apologetics International, a REAL Catholic Scholar, not some pissant with a blog (like most modern front-line Catholic Apologists, Sungenis is an ex-Presbyterian -- i.e., he's not stupid):

Full Article here: Judaizers in the Catholic Church, http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/articles/pastoral/judaizers.htm, Robert A. Sungenis.


So... Let me repeat that:

(Sigh). As usual, even "bornacatholic" Cradle Catholics are so woefully uneducated regarding the Faith Once For All Delivered To The Saints, you call it "worshipping a God of Hate" when a Calvinist simply defends the Traditional, Patristic Beliefs of the Universal Christian Church.

Oh, well. As Roman Catholics continue to drop the standards of Biblical, traditional, patristic Christian Belief and flee the battlefields, have no fear -- we Calvinists will take up the slack.

Of course, we're always expected to do so. But it's okay, we shan't complain.

Best, OP

226 posted on 08/13/2006 8:13:07 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Personally, "bornacatholic", I would say that in your hatred for the doctrines of Absolute Predestination and your own willingness to allow for an Unbiblical division between the Old Testament Church (Israel) and the New Testament Church (God's Israel), you're far closer to the evil heresy of Marcionism than any Calvinist.

*If by that you mean I reject the too-many-to-catalog heresies of Jean Cauvin, absolutely?

Mr. Sungenesis is shunned by respectable Christians due to his venomous antisemitism. He has ben caught using direct quotes fom Nazi propagandists. He too thinks the Jews as a race are cursed. And, to top it all off, he is also a Geo-Centrist.

And, of course I absolutely reject your false accusation I do not seperate the Old and New Testament. But, lack of proof has never hindered you before :)

Personally, I think the God of Calvin is an insane, hateful lunatic.

And what is it with you and the way you format your posts?

In just a second I will post a link having to do with your boy, sugenesis.

227 posted on 08/13/2006 8:27:52 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

http://wquercus.com/sungenis/


228 posted on 08/13/2006 8:30:26 AM PDT by bornacatholic (You're welcome to him.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

http://lidless-eye.blogspot.com/2003_03_01_lidless-eye_archive.html#91132908


229 posted on 08/13/2006 8:50:06 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Yeah. A real Catholic Scholar, accrd to a Calvinist)
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