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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Personally, "bornacatholic", I would say that in your hatred for the doctrines of Absolute Predestination and your own willingness to allow for an Unbiblical division between the Old Testament Church (Israel) and the New Testament Church (God's Israel), you're far closer to the evil heresy of Marcionism than any Calvinist.

*If by that you mean I reject the too-many-to-catalog heresies of Jean Cauvin, absolutely?

Mr. Sungenesis is shunned by respectable Christians due to his venomous antisemitism. He has ben caught using direct quotes fom Nazi propagandists. He too thinks the Jews as a race are cursed. And, to top it all off, he is also a Geo-Centrist.

And, of course I absolutely reject your false accusation I do not seperate the Old and New Testament. But, lack of proof has never hindered you before :)

Personally, I think the God of Calvin is an insane, hateful lunatic.

And what is it with you and the way you format your posts?

In just a second I will post a link having to do with your boy, sugenesis.

227 posted on 08/13/2006 8:27:52 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic; George W. Bush
Mr. Sungenesis is shunned by respectable Christians due to his venomous antisemitism.

I wasn't aware that Robert Sungenis was a "venomous anti-semite".

I also wasn't aware that he was being "shunned by respectable Christians".

Has Mr. Sungenis been excommunicated from receipt of the Catholic Sacraments?

If he has not been excommunicated from receipt of the Catholic Sacraments... then are you not taking it upon yourself (as a Layman, acting upon your own autonomous personal opinion) to "shun" a Catholic Brother without any canonically-justified cause?

Maybe you've got some penance to do.

230 posted on 08/13/2006 8:58:20 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: bornacatholic; George W. Bush
Personally, I think the God of Calvin is an insane, hateful lunatic.

In that case, it is clear that you are calling the God of Saint Augustine and Thomas Aquinas a "hateful, insane lunatic", as James Akin (the director of apologetics and evangelization for Catholic Answers) establishes that the only critical theological difference between Calvinism and Thomist-Augustinianism (laying aside, for the moment, our disagreement over venerating the Bishop of Rome as "Christ's Vicar on Earth", eucharistic differences, etc.) is that Calvinists believe in the "Preservation of the Saints" (the doctrine sometimes poorly-described as "Once Saved, Always Saved") whereas Thomist-Augustinians believe in the "Preservation of the Elect" (believing that some Saved Christians will fall away, but none of the Elect to whom God gives the Grace of Perseverance).

Now, you can weasel out of your hasty words by claiming that you consider the particular contested point of "Preservation of the Saints" alone amongst the Doctrines of Calvinism to be a "hateful, lunatic" doctrine, and believe that it is far more "Loving and Sane" to believe, as James Akins does, in a God who "lets saints fall away after they are called, and suffers the children of God to be burned in the fires of damnation after having once believed in Jesus" (to use the Reverend Charles Spurgeon's description of Roman beliefs on the matter).

But let's be Honest, shall we? Your hatred of Calvinism is NOT really based upon any objection to the Calvinist belief that God spreads around the "Grace of Perseverance" a bit more generously within the Church than according to the Roman Catholic system; rather, you hate the Calvinist doctrines of Absolute Predestination -- Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement and the like, ALL of which James Akins establishes as fully-traditional Thomist-Augustinian Roman Catholic doctrines.

In short, you are calling your own God a "hateful, insane lunatic".

What's the Penance for Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost these days, "bornacatholic"?

245 posted on 08/15/2006 4:03:22 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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