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DISPENSATIONALIST "CHRISTIAN" ZIONISM -- Is there now "neither Jew nor Gentile", or not?
KennethGentry.Com, "Dispensational Distortions" ^ | 2004 | Kenneth Gentry (and OP)

Posted on 08/10/2006 12:22:56 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian

A Young Fool encounters Foolishness

Once upon a time, I was but a wee child in Reformed Theology, taking my first baby-steps into the beautiful Cathedral of Calvinism as a young Debater for Jerry Falwell's world-beating Liberty Debate Team (Our Creed: "Defeat Harvard. Defeat Navy. Defeat American Catholic. Defeat everyone. Crush them all, every time, no exceptions. Win every single National Championship, every year.... because as long as we Calvinists keep winning, Jerry won't excommunicate us for being Calvinists!!".)

Since a Debater is always expected to be able to immediately argue either side of any given question, I spent a lot of time in the local used book-store picking up various books on philosophy and theology and politics and economics... anything I could get my dirt-poor hands on for $2 or $3 dollars a copy. Anything to familiarize myself with multiple intellectual perspectives and multiple modes of argumentation.

Now, in the course of my researches, I happened across a little book entitled War Cycles, Peace Cycles by Richard Kelly Hoskins of Lynchburg, Virginia, regarding the short and long-term economic effects of Monetary Expansions and Contractions in the context of fractional-reserve lending. Hoskins was by no means an uneducated fellow (a capable Financial Advisor and Econometricist, some of his works are still occasionally cited today), but I was singularly disturbed by several passages in which he seemed to suggest a Racial component to Fractional-Reserve Lending (which he called "the Babylon System") versus his contrary suggestions for Joint-Venture Lending.

One passage which stood out in my mind read as follows:

The further I read, the more it was apparent to me that Hoskins regarded "Israel" as The White Race, the Adamic Race descended through Abraham, and that all Non-Whites were considered to him to be zuwr "strangers": Pagans at worst, "Samaritan" Christians at best... but never "Israel".

And so, being the young fool that I was, I did what any young fool would do... I looked Dick Hoskins up in the Lynchburg, Virginia phone book, and called him at his house.

I asked him what he would make of my spiritual position -- a Confessing Christian by Faith, mostly Prussian German by Ethnicity, but with a little 1/16 smidgen of Sioux Nation mixed in 3 or 4 generations back on my mother's side.

Hoskins informed me, quite cordially and without any rancor whatsoever, that God considered me to be a mixed-breed Bastard and that "A Bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD." (Deuteronomy 23:2) He advised me to marry "one of my own kind".

Well, I decided at that point (even before I knew him to be the godfather of the "Phinehas Priesthood", the most violent expression of the Christian Identity movement) that even if he was a good money-runner, Dick Hoskins' theology was a barrel full of wet, smelly, foolish Scheißdreck, with which I would have no truck whatsoever. The Christian Creed is this: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28, KJV).

Unfortunately, however, "Christian Identity" (derived not from pagan Nazism but rather from its bastard godfather, British Israelism) is not the only theology which Racially divides the Body of Christ into Jew and Gentile, "Israel" and "Not-Israel", Blood and Blood-lines.

Dispensational Zionist Foolishness

The future dispensational kingdom involves a racial prejudice favoring the Jews above even saved Gentiles during the millennium. As such it re-introduces the distinction between Jew and Gentile and replaces Faith with Race as a basis for divine favor. Consider the following citations from leading dispensationalists: (DISPENSATIONAL DISTORTIONS PART TWO, Redemptive History Distortions ~~ Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr., Th.D.)

However, with the establishment of the New Testament phase of the Church, the distinction between Jew and Gentile has been abolished. This was the whole point of Peter's vision of the sheet filled with unclean animals in Acts 10: "What God has called clean, let no man call unclean." Thus, there is no separate Jewish program exalting them over saved Gentiles. THE CHURCH, which includes Jew and Gentile in one body, is the fruition and culmination of God's promises to the Jews. In evidence of this, we should note that Christians are called by distinctively Jewish names in the New Testament. "He is a Jew, which is one inwardly" (Rom. 2:29). Christians are called "the circumcision" (Phil. 3:3), "the children" and "the seed of Abraham" (Gal. 3:7, 29), the "Jerusalem which is above" and the "children of the promise" (Gal. 4:24-29). In fact, Christians compose "the Israel of God" for we are a "new creature" regarding which "circumcision availeth nothing" (Gal. 6:16).

Comparing Foolishness with Foolishness

In closing, I ask only (according to the Hebrew logical-interpretive method of "how much the more?")... if the heretical British-Israel/Christian-Identity Racialists pervert True Christianity by dividing the People of God along Racial lines, then how much the more do Dispensationalists also pervert the Word of God and divide the People of God along equally Racialist lines?

Consider the following:



Those aren't Quotations from Richard Kelly Hoskins... granted, they may sound like Christian Identity quotations, but they aren't.

These are nothing less than direct quotations from the leading lights of Dispensationalism in America -- Ryrie, Pentecost, Walvoord, Hoyt, Hunt, Thomas Ice. (I could've quoted Hagee, I suppose, but the man is absolutely freakin' nutbar).

All that I did was to replace "Israel" with "The White Race", and replace "Gentiles" with "Non-Whites".
Does Dispensationalist "theology" destroy the Racial equality of the Body of Christ? What you see is what you get.

God Damn all Racial Theology.


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To: .30Carbine

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT POINTS. THANKS MUCH.

We just don't do well at all at perfecting ourselves or our own faith.

Soooooo thnkful HE IS THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH

AND OF US.

But we sure do well to cooperate!

LOL.


1,041 posted on 09/13/2006 5:23:37 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: fortheDeclaration; topcat54; Dr. Eckleburg
So, what do those verses really mean?

The answer my friend is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind.

1,042 posted on 09/13/2006 8:57:04 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (why is it so difficult to understand?)
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To: betty boop

Thank you so much for your encouragements and those additional insights!


1,043 posted on 09/13/2006 10:14:10 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

Thank you for the kudos and encouragements, Quix!


1,044 posted on 09/13/2006 10:15:02 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: fortheDeclaration

GREAT POINTS. THANKS.


1,045 posted on 09/13/2006 10:20:14 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: .30Carbine

Thank you oh so very much for sharing the Scriptures and your meditations both here and on the linked thread! Excellent.


1,046 posted on 09/13/2006 10:27:12 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; .30Carbine; Quix; cornelis
"In any case, the Olympians were "intracosmic gods" -- creatures like men, but "immortals." In short, they had a Creator -- who Plato refers to as the God of the Beyond"

Your remarks, dear Betty, brought back to mind a literature studies course of some fifty-five years ago. Very well then; demigods of mundane and venal propensities. I knew that! Thanks for the reminder. { 8 ^ )

What I did not know was Plato's idea of, and his search for, a God of the Beyond (that's a terrific expression, by the way). I think it's telling that Plato found the mundane and venal behavior of the Greek demigods to be even worse than merely unsatisfactory, and one would have to suspect he would have been no more impressed with "Mighty Turtle is on His Way!" It's even more telling that, despite Plato's diligent examination, he failed to make any headway in developing the idea. Lacking the revelation of Holy Scriptures he could not, of course, be expected to have completed the idea

Thanks, Betty, for your always enlightening exposition, and to you, A-G, for your discourse on the value of nous and of pneuma, and particularly on the distenction between these two concepts. And, I would like to thank hosepipe and all the others who have contributed. As always, I find that I am in receipt of so very much more than my puny efforts can ever hope to contribute that it is positively embarrassing.{ 8 ^ )

1,047 posted on 09/13/2006 1:39:44 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

Amen


1,048 posted on 09/13/2006 2:02:31 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; .30Carbine; Quix; cornelis
Thank you dear YHAOS for your very kind words. But please never think that your contributions here are ever "puny." You have a knack for homing in on the really huge issues, and asking tremendous questions. And so being in your company is ever a delight for me. You are a blessing....

May our Lord continue to bless you and yours abundantly!

1,049 posted on 09/13/2006 6:15:21 PM PDT by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: betty boop

AMEN! AMEN!


1,050 posted on 09/13/2006 6:18:46 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Do not forget that the Kingdom of Heaven is made up of sinners in flesh and blood bodies, many who reject Christ as King (Ps.2), which will be made evident when they revolt after Satan is released to stir up rebellion.

Uh oh. :-) Here is another thing I have to wonder about. I assume you mean that the flesh and blood bodies are the ones who survive the Anti Christ and are still living when Christ returns? Is that the general idea? Then at the end of the 1000 years , Satan is released to fool the nations again?

1,051 posted on 09/13/2006 6:21:41 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: YHAOS; betty boop

Thank you so much for all of your kind words and encouragements! I strongly endorse betty boop's sentiments - your posts are deep and engaging. I always look forward to meditating on your insights


1,052 posted on 09/13/2006 9:13:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; YHAOS
And so being in your company is ever a delight for me. You are a blessing....

In agreement bump!

1,053 posted on 09/14/2006 2:33:24 AM PDT by .30Carbine (Jesus Is The Glory)
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To: ladyinred
Do not forget that the Kingdom of Heaven is made up of sinners in flesh and blood bodies, many who reject Christ as King (Ps.2), which will be made evident when they revolt after Satan is released to stir up rebellion. Uh oh. :-) Here is another thing I have to wonder about. I assume you mean that the flesh and blood bodies are the ones who survive the Anti Christ and are still living when Christ returns? Is that the general idea? Then at the end of the 1000 years , Satan is released to fool the nations again?

Yes, and there will be a judgement on those who are left to see who enters into the Millennial Kingdom (Matthew 25).

After the final rebellion of mankind, at the end of the Millennial reign, Satan is released and man rebels yet again (Rev.20).

Once that rebellion is put down by God, those who have not joined it go into eternity with flesh and blood bodies and a new heaven and earth will be created.

In Rev.22:2 you will note that the 'nation's' come to eat from the trees of healing.

Earth will belong to the Jews, the Church will reside in the New Jerusalam, and the Universe will be populated by the Gentiles.

1,054 posted on 09/17/2006 6:18:00 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: 1000 silverlings
So, what do those verses really mean? The answer my friend is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind

I will interpret your metaphor.

You do not know.

1,055 posted on 09/17/2006 6:40:21 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; All; Alamo-Girl; xzins; Buggman; JockoManning; ExSoldier; DAVEY CROCKETT

A lot of Evangelicals and particularly a lot of Pentecostals and Charismatics believe the Bible meant what God said and said what God meant when He declared that through the descendants of Jacob, He would bless The world.

The Contrarian Replacementarians from HOLLAND beg to differ--asserting that post Christ, The Cross and espcially since 70AD, all humans are equal in 100% of all respects for all time thereafter; in all contexts and with respect to all considerations.

They are "merely" divided into those who accept Christ 'the normal way'--whatever Hollanders consider that to be--given that no individual CAN possibly make a free will choice in the land of tulips . . . vs . . . those who don't accept Christ--particularly according the the script for the play kept in the Hollander's tidy little script boxes. That is, it's utterly impossible for God to arrange for Jews to accept Christ via one route and others via another route--per the Hollanders' straight-jackets for God.

HOWEVER, there's a pesky little, not so tiny problem with that construction on reality.

The descendants of Jacob FAR, FAR, FAR OUT CLASS EVERY OTHER GENETIC GROUP in their stature and achievements in scholarship, in medicine, science, literature, inventiveness etc. The following is a fair hint or summary of such. It is clear that THE FACTS in our PRESENT END TIMES ERA are quite contrary to the

Contrarian Replacementarian doctrines of Holland--which has to insist per the above logic--that there CAN BE NO SUCH STANDING HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE THE REST OF THE WORLD in such matters for the children of Jacob. Clearly, God disagrees.

From:

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/dialogue.htm

% Jewish % Jewish
100% CA Senators 1996
17% Nobel Physiology and Medicine
85% College age Jews in college
16% Time Most Important 25
76% Most influential intellectuals
(Alan Dershowitz)
15% MacArthur "Genius" Awards 1981-97
60% Yale Grad students
15% Time 20 20th Century Inventors
60% Top Hollywood positions
(60 min) 15% USA Today College Academic Team
40% Lawyers at best NY and DC law firms 14% Clinton Cabinet 1997
20-30% Westinghouse Science Prize
11% Nobel Physics Prize
30% Faculty at elite colleges
10% Pulitzer 1997
30% Supreme Court Law Clerks
10% US Senate
27% Ivy League Survey
10% US college faculty
26% US Law Professors
(Volokh UCLA)
7.7% Corporate Boards
25% ACM Turing Award
7% Forbes HiTech 100 1997
23% Wealthiest Americans
3.0% US Voters 1996
23% Top 100 wealthy Canadians
2.0% US Population
17% Boston Symphony Strings
0.25% World Population


1,056 posted on 09/23/2006 6:49:22 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

At least your honest. Your diatribe exemplifies what the NT is all about. Anti-semitism at its utmost.


1,057 posted on 09/23/2006 7:00:38 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: P-Marlowe

P-Marlowe

PING.


1,058 posted on 09/23/2006 7:21:25 PM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
The percentages are absolutely staggering - when any of them are compared to the last. For instance, 11% of the Nobel prizes in Physics are from .25% of the World's population.

Thank you so much for the information and for your insights!

1,059 posted on 09/23/2006 10:16:07 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks tons, Angel-Gal.

Have long thought the stats were awesome.

Was just prayerfully pondering such when it came to me that there were implications I hadn't thought of.

There has to be an explanation. The only plausible one, is God's Forever Enduring Covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.


1,060 posted on 09/24/2006 2:31:36 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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