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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe; xzins; blue-duncan; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; Lee N. Field; Buggman

To a Christian with a sense of history, the conflation of the terms "spiritual" with "good" sounds so quaintly victorian. Not to say gnostic. I rejoice to concede that particular bragging right, and yield the floor to my far more spiritual brothers, the dispensationalists.

You see, I have no desire to be "spiritual." I am a man, as my wife can tell you several times each week. I am not an angel. My materiality is something I rejoice in, since this is what God has made me to be and to enjoy. God looked at His material creation and called it "good." And who am I to argue with my Maker? God considers the material creation SO good that the Word became flesh without being defiled, then died and rose again to ultimately redeem all of creation for His glory. "For God so loved the world..." that He took steps to redeem a race or restored caretakers for it.

I do not wish to be "spiritual." I seek grace to be obedient.

Do you see the difference? Satan is a purely spiritual entity -- but not an obedient one. Not a good one. As a redeemed man, I have opportunities and responsibilities to care for my corner of creation, to steward all that God entrusts to me, to husband it (and her!) and to see to it that I put more into the system than I take out of it. To leave my corner of the world a bit better than I found it, so that my children will get a head start in their race.

The problem with seeking to be "spiritual" is that the seeker can too easily spiral into his navel. The "spiritual" guy can be a failure as a husband, father, employee, and steward of the opportunities God drops in his lap -- and still congratulate himself on how "spiritual" he is. In a secret zone, defined so narrowly that no one can see it, he is "victorious." Who cares if his house and family and nation are crumbling around him? "I got mine, jack. To hell with everything else."

A truly incarnational Christianity cannot be dispensational. We do not have the right to despise the world God has entrusted to our care. To do so ultimately maligns our Creator. Gnosticism, like dispensationalism, writes off the whole world in exchange for esoteric "spiritual" thrills. Both are disobedient to the total counsel of God, and the flourishing of His Kingdom.

259 posted on 08/09/2006 6:53:19 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley
I do not wish to be "spiritual." I seek grace to be obedient.

I will concede your point. So instead of saying that there are many on this board who think they are more spiritual because of their eschatology, I will state that there are many on this board who think they are "more obedient" (and hence better Christians) because of their eschatological viewpoint.

Is that better?

277 posted on 08/09/2006 10:17:54 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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