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To: dangus
Sorry. But I have many RC friends who tell me forthrightly that they do worship Mary in a way with their prayers because they see her as being worthy of worship due to her supposedly sinless nature.

But Mary was human and in need of a Savior, just like the rest of us.

Jesus Christ is the only mediator between men and God. Anything else, and you leave yourself open to charges of idolatry.

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -- 1 Timothy 2:5

4 posted on 07/28/2006 7:23:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
But I have many RC friends who tell me forthrightly that they do worship Mary in a way with their prayers because they see her as being worthy of worship due to her supposedly sinless nature.

I'm sure you've heard of latria, hyperdulia, and dulia, and the differences between the three, but I would guess you don't buy it, so I'm not going to waste my time.

5 posted on 07/28/2006 7:26:31 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>> Sorry. But I have many RC friends who tell me forthrightly that they do worship Mary in a way with their prayers because they see her as being worthy of worship due to her supposedly sinless nature. <<

Nuh-uh. Don't believe it. I flat out don't believe it at all. It's that preposterous. Maybe you asked why they worshipped her, and they didn't correct you or something, but I flatly do not believe you ever heard any Catholic say, "I worship Mary."

>> But Mary was human and in need of a Savior, just like the rest of us. <<

That is true. The only difference is that Christ, knowing her role to play as bearer of the Word, did not allow her to be polluted.

>> Jesus Christ is the only mediator between men and God. Anything else, and you leave yourself open to charges of idolatry. <<

Now THIS I could believe a Catholic getting wrong. It reflects a downright miserable and pathetic failure to educate people, but I could honestly believe someone could think that the priest forgives someone on behalf of God.

The priest forgives on behalf of the Church, for committing sin when pledged to sanctity is a sin against the Church. But this is of the nature of one friend forgiving another. Only God can forgive. Which is why you will NEVER hear anyone EVER ask Mary to forgive them. Go check on the internet.

Of the hundreds of BILLIONS of web pages out there, 47 contain the phrase "I worship Mary." 42 of these are amidst denials (i.e., "Protestants always say I worship Mary...") or unrelated (i.e., "I worship Mary Kate and Ashley"), two are sarcastic, one is a protestant hypothetically putting those words in the mouth of a Catholic, one is a South African pagan "guru", and one is about Alistair Crowley.


Keep in mind that the internet includes the texts of tens of thousands of Catholic prayers throughout the ages. And not ONE of the ones which have made it to the internet.


8 posted on 07/28/2006 7:41:33 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -- 1 Timothy 2:5
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Amen Sister!


9 posted on 07/28/2006 7:42:51 PM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; dangus

***Sorry. But I have many RC friends who tell me forthrightly that they do worship Mary in a way with their prayers because they see her as being worthy of worship due to her supposedly sinless nature.***

Sorry dangus, whatever you want to call the role of Mary in the RC church, it certainly looks like worship to Proddies and to many people inside the RC church.

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....


63 posted on 07/29/2006 12:21:56 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable." Robert Farrar Capon)
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