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To: dangus
Never has a Catholic prayer asked the Blessed Mother for forgiveness. NEVER! We ask the Blessed Mother to pray for us that we be kept from sin.

Then why is she named by Rome's bishops (Pius XI in 1935 and JP II in 1985) as the Co-Redemptrix? Though she's never been infallibly declared in this rank, the angry reaction from Catholics and Orthodox and Anglicans, not to mention Protestants and others, was not positive. So we see a soft-pedaling of this silly notion which does not even merit the dignity of being called a doctrine. JP II tested the waters and the reaction was not warm, even among Catholics.

No Catholic has EVER said that Mary is divine, god, or all-powerful.

So, is Mary the Queen Of Heaven or not?

As far as Marian prayers, Wikipedia offers:
The earliest known Marian prayer is Deipara, Dei Genetrix. Mother of God, dating from late 2nd century. It was, discovered in Egypt in 1917 and was written in the languages of the Copts and Greeks (Theotokos, Mother of God). This title was authorized at the Council of Ephesus in 431 commemorating the Virgin's role in the incarnation of Jesus as the Word of God, and her place in the History of Salvation.
Looks to me like a late second-century superstition that gained standing as Rome's state religion descended to its typical accommodations to extent pagan godess religions, a familiar strategy from the hierarchy's other doctrinal compromises with false religions for the sake of recruitment and temporal influence.

BTW, my Catholic neighbor mentioned to me on the phone that she got more rain than me a few nights ago by going out and shaking her rosary beads at the storm clouds. I retorted that this was unfair to us humble Baptists and we might retaliate by buying ourselves some groovy "love beads" so we wouldn't be defenseless when Rome's followers try to hog the rain.
37 posted on 07/28/2006 9:53:11 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
Looks to me like a late second-century superstition that gained standing as Rome's state religion descended to its typical accommodations to extent pagan godess religions, a familiar strategy from the hierarchy's other doctrinal compromises with false religions for the sake of recruitment and temporal influence.

What next, the Catholic Church hid the truth about Jesus and Mary Magdalen, and Opus Dei sees to it that the truth stays a secret?

39 posted on 07/28/2006 9:58:31 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: George W. Bush
So, is Mary the Queen Of Heaven or not?

Queen of Heaven is a title, not something that states that she is a goddess. The Church, both in the East and the West, has taught that she is a creature - a creature that is higher than the angels - but a creature none the less.

40 posted on 07/28/2006 10:00:43 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Love is the fusion of two souls in one in order to bring about mutual perfection." -S. Terese Andes)
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To: George W. Bush
BTW, my Catholic neighbor mentioned to me on the phone that she got more rain than me a few nights ago by going out and shaking her rosary beads at the storm clouds. I retorted that this was unfair to us humble Baptists and we might retaliate by buying ourselves some groovy "love beads" so we wouldn't be defenseless when Rome's followers try to hog the rain.

What's she doing "shaking" them at the storm clouds? Sounds like a crock to me. A good Catholic would use them for prayer, not as an object to be shaken at the clouds to bring about rain. If she's your neighbor, how did she get more rain than you?

Save your money on those groovy love beads. As long as you got that Catholic neighbor shaking her rosary beads at the clouds, you should be covered. After all, it seems impossible that a neighbor would get more rain than you.

43 posted on 07/28/2006 10:12:28 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: George W. Bush

>> Then why is she named by Rome's bishops (Pius XI in 1935 and JP II in 1985) as the Co-Redemptrix? <<

This is as if I said I never fly on Southwest, and you ask "then, why did I see you driving a Buick?" What is it that you think co-redemptrix means? Oh, and by the way, JP2 REJECTED the title of co-redemptrix in 1992, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

>> So, is Mary the Queen Of Heaven or not? <<

Yes. How does that suggest she is divine? Go read Revelations 12 for an explanation of that title. (Yes, Rev. 12 represents the New Israel, but the figure of Mary is used to make that representation.)

>> Looks to me like a late second-century superstition that gained standing as Rome's state religion descended to its typical accommodations to extent pagan godess religions, a familiar strategy from the hierarchy's other doctrinal compromises with false religions for the sake of recruitment and temporal influence. <<

Well, there certainly was no evidence:
1. That it was ever regarded as a superstition,
2. That it gained standing, as opposed to having started off unquestioned,
3. that its emergence had anything to do with accommodations to extent pagan goddess religions.


53 posted on 07/28/2006 11:03:17 PM PDT by dangus
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>> BTW, my Catholic neighbor mentioned to me on the phone that she got more rain than me a few nights ago by going out and shaking her rosary beads at the storm clouds <<

Oh, OK. You neglected to mention that your next-door neighbor was a STARK-RAVING MAD LUNATIC!


54 posted on 07/28/2006 11:04:22 PM PDT by dangus
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To: George W. Bush

"BTW, my Catholic neighbor mentioned to me on the phone that she got more rain than me a few nights ago by going out and shaking her rosary beads at the storm clouds. I retorted that this was unfair to us humble Baptists and we might retaliate by buying ourselves some groovy "love beads" so we wouldn't be defenseless when Rome's followers try to hog the rain."
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Boy, that's great!

I needed to start the day with a smile.


71 posted on 07/29/2006 6:56:45 AM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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