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To: George W. Bush

>> Then why is she named by Rome's bishops (Pius XI in 1935 and JP II in 1985) as the Co-Redemptrix? <<

This is as if I said I never fly on Southwest, and you ask "then, why did I see you driving a Buick?" What is it that you think co-redemptrix means? Oh, and by the way, JP2 REJECTED the title of co-redemptrix in 1992, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

>> So, is Mary the Queen Of Heaven or not? <<

Yes. How does that suggest she is divine? Go read Revelations 12 for an explanation of that title. (Yes, Rev. 12 represents the New Israel, but the figure of Mary is used to make that representation.)

>> Looks to me like a late second-century superstition that gained standing as Rome's state religion descended to its typical accommodations to extent pagan godess religions, a familiar strategy from the hierarchy's other doctrinal compromises with false religions for the sake of recruitment and temporal influence. <<

Well, there certainly was no evidence:
1. That it was ever regarded as a superstition,
2. That it gained standing, as opposed to having started off unquestioned,
3. that its emergence had anything to do with accommodations to extent pagan goddess religions.


53 posted on 07/28/2006 11:03:17 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
What is it that you think co-redemptrix means?

Given the variety of definitions offered by the doctrine's adherents, I don't think there is an official definition. We have, for instance, no idea whether Pius XI in 1935 meant the same thing by the term as did JP 2 in 1985. Oh, and by the way, JP2 REJECTED the title of co-redemptrix in 1992, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

But in 1985, he referred to her as Co-Redemptrix. Apparently, this excited interest and a petition that eventually collected something like 6 million signatures was gathered and advocates pressed the cause for infallible declaration. JP 2 shrank back from doing so in 1992, putting to rest the movement to promulgate the teaching. So apparently it's still true but not infallibly true so don't bet your salvation on it. Yet. At present, Benedict seems too sensible, given his focus on broadly orthodox Christian doctrine which appears to be paying dividends in the recent ecumenism with Lutherans and Methodists on the doctrine of justification.

Keep at it. We'll get you catechized yet.
61 posted on 07/28/2006 11:24:45 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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