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To: sionnsar

These people are crazy.

Aside from that, I think everybody should stay away from labyrinths. I have family in SF that lives near Grace Cathedral, the Episcopal cathedral, where they have actually built an official "labyrinth" on a raised stone plaza near the front of the church. I can look down at the little old Chinese ladies practicing tai-chi in the park, and then turn my head just a bit to see the fruits and nuts circling and hopping around the labyrinth, occasionally stopping to adopt a yoga position, or sometimes even spinning around with their arms outstretched (I would assume this is the dervish contingent).


11 posted on 07/28/2006 7:51:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Aside from that, I think everybody should stay away from labyrinths.

Excellent point. I was just reading about how these labyrinths can be a type of hypnotism which trains the mind to follow preconceived patterns of someone else's making.

18 posted on 07/28/2006 8:03:04 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: livius
These people are crazy.
Aside from that, I think everybody should stay away from labyrinths. I have family in SF that lives near Grace Cathedral, the Episcopal cathedral, where they have actually built an official "labyrinth" on a raised stone plaza near the front of the church. I can look down at the little old Chinese ladies practicing tai-chi in the park, and then turn my head just a bit to see the fruits and nuts circling and hopping around the labyrinth, occasionally stopping to adopt a yoga position, or sometimes even spinning around with their arms outstretched (I would assume this is the dervish contingent).

These poor souls are lost.
I live in San Francisco (born and bred AND Catholic) and have watched Grace Cathedral descend from its lofty position as THE Episcopalian center in the Bay Area to the Labyrinth of the Lost.
It started back in the 80's, if I recall correctly, with the "inclusion" of homosexuals into their fold as normal people. There have been a series of openly homosexual pastors (both genders, some living with same sex partners) there who have enlarged on that theme ad nauseum. Added to that was the woman-thing, where God is "She" and such.
Their latest silliness is a meditation liturgy.
It's hard to miss it. They have a LARGE banner (in the traditional Episcopalian colors) advertising their latest silliness strung across the church. I go to my club six times a week and see it as I drive past.

Sidenote: one of our traditional Lutheran Churches is in the full God-is-a-woman thing, offering all (also a big banner with a www url address) to worship Her with a she-rosary.
Too many nouveau San Franciscans worship at the House of Relative Morality, eating their Sunday Bread of Life at the House of Bagels, drinking the Blood of Salvation from Starbucks -- Cafe Latte. I have watched this descent for four decades.
I attended a Bat Mitzvah once where the ritual was NEW Jewish, with all latest non-sexual nomenclature ruled. Two examples: God was not the Father but a neuter force ("Cosmos") and the words "right hand of the Lord" were eliminated because it shamed left-handed people.

It's ESPECIALLY sad to see the Episcopalians and Lutherans stray so far from the path of Christian worship. They were the closest to the Catholic faith.
Martin Luther must be rolling in his grave. What havoc he wrecked with his protests. What hell he started. Same with Henry VIII. Both were simply too arrogant to do it any other way, one supposes.

67 posted on 07/29/2006 6:20:44 AM PDT by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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