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More Weird Liturgy? "Our Lady" Rite Author Inspired By Labyrinth Walk
The Christian Challenge ^ | 7/28/2006 | Lee Penn

Posted on 07/28/2006 6:45:14 PM PDT by sionnsar

For those wondering what inspired the Episcopal Church's newly-elected, female presiding bishop to refer to "Mother Jesus" during the General Convention, the answer might be found on the "Office of Women's Ministries" (OWM) page on the official national church website.

Indeed, this is not the first time that the OWM has gotten into liturgical mischief.

The phrase used by Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori appears in a "Eucharist Using Female Nouns and Pronouns" on the OWM's section of the Episcopal Church (TEC)-sponsored website. The rite is accompanied by "Morning Prayers to the Lady" - and this does not mean our Lord's mother. Both services offer worship to "Our Lady" and to the "Holy Mother," and end with the salutation "Blessed be" - a common statement of farewell among Wiccans.

The author of the services, Sandra Thomas Fox, wrote them in 2001, five years after she had a feminist epiphany during her first walk in a labyrinth - a spiritual exercise that actually has New Age roots - at the National Cathedral. There, she became sensitized to "the misogyny in the liturgy."

The webpage that leads to the two feminist liturgies has an all-capitalized disclaimer for each: "NOT AN OFFICIAL LITURGY - FOR USE IN DISCUSSION." Nevertheless, the pages from which each of the services can be downloaded invite readers to use them as well in "gathering communities of worship." Therefore, these services can be used anywhere.

The feminist "Eucharist" invokes God thus: "Blessed be the Lady who births, redeems and sanctifies us."

The threefold Kyrie Eleison becomes this: (Celebrant): Loving Lady, have mercy; (People): Mother Jesus, have mercy; (Celebrant) Loving Lady, have mercy" - thereby giving Jesus both a sex change and children.

The prayers of the people - addressed to "Mother" - include the request that "every member of the Church may be your handmaiden" - thereby praying that all men in the church get a sex change.

The prayer of confession is addressed to "Most Merciful Lady."

The Great Thanksgiving begins, "May the Holy Mother be with you," and continues: "It is truly right, Mother, to give you thanks; for you alone are the I AM, living and true, dwelling in light inaccessible from before time and forever," and adds: "Blessed is she who comes in the name of Love."

With the prayer "Mother, you loved the world so much that you sent your only Son to be our Savior. Incarnate by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary," the consecration prayer claims that Jesus has two mommies - and no Father.

Immediately after the consecration of the bread and the wine, the celebrant says, "Mother, we now celebrate this memorial of your redemption." (A Freudian slip, perhaps?)

Oddly enough, the Lord's Prayer is unchanged - so this is the only spot in the service which addresses God as "Father."

The "Mass" ends when the celebrant tells the congregation, "Let us go forth empowered by the Love of our Lady," and the congregation replies, "Blessed be."

THE FEMINIST "MORNING PRAYER" service is similar in spirit. After the confession of sin (again addressed to the "Most Merciful Lady"), the celebrant says, "Nurturing Mother, have mercy on us; forgive us all our sins. Through your beautiful Son, Jesus Christ, strengthen us in all goodness, and by the power of the Holy Spirit sustain our eternal life."

Before the psalms, the celebrant says, "The mercy of our Lady is everlasting: come let us adore her." After the Psalm readings, the celebrant sings a new age Gloria Non Patri: "Glory to the Mother, and to her Son, and to the Holy Spirit: as it was in the beginning, is now, and will be forever."

In this service, too, the Lord's Prayer was unmolested - but the celebrant precedes it with "May our Holy Lady be with you...Let us pray the words of her beautiful Son, Jesus Christ."

The prayers of the people include "Keep your example of Motherhood ever before us; Let us see in all our children a sacred trust from you" - an invocation that seems out of place here, since the Women's Ministries site lists the pro-abortion Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice among "social justice" groups.

The General Thanksgiving at the end of the service starts, "Most merciful Mother, we your handmaidens give you thanks for your great love for us and for all you have made." The service ends when the celebrant says, "Let us give thanks to our Lady;" the congregation replies, "Blessed be."

AS EARLIER NOTED, this all began with Ms. Fox's first experience with walking the labyrinth at the 1996 Sacred Circles conference at Washington National Cathedral. That day, "during a guided meditation led by Dr. Sarah Fahy, I had met the wise woman who had told me, `Women are beautiful. You are beautiful,'" Fox wrote. "Immediately after I...walked one of the labyrinths set up in the nave. To my surprise, as I entered the path I dissolved into tears. Questions welled up inside of me. Why had no one ever told me I was beautiful? Why did I need to be told that women were beautiful? I sobbed my way into the center, where I sat until I was once again composed. As I began my walk out, the Eucharist was being celebrated at the high altar. I decided I would silently say these comforting, familiar words as I walked...But on this day, to my horror, these words I loved turned to dust and ashes in my mouth. All I could hear was `He, Him, Lord, Son, Father'...I had heard the misogyny in the liturgy, and there was no going back."

Fox continued, "I realized that I did not see my mother, my two daughters, or myself as made in the image of God. When I looked at the liturgy I discovered there are 195 male nouns and pronouns in Rite I and 145 in Rite II. In both cases, there is one reference to a woman - the Virgin Mary in the Creed. If our liturgy is our story, the telling of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, where are the voices of the women that Jesus loved, respected, and held dear? Where is an understanding of the holiness of being a daughter, wife, or mother? Wondering what it would be like to have a service to the Divine Feminine, I used Rite II, Prayer D [from the 1979 Prayer Book] as a starting point and wrote such a Eucharist in 2001.

"If one feels that reading this service is blasphemous, I can only say that writing it felt even more so. Yet I felt called to continue, for what else would allow us to see the narrowness of our current liturgy?...My hope is that this Eucharist will begin a dialogue about the ways in which language affects the quality of our worship, our feelings towards God, and our sense of being created in God's image."

As earlier indicated, this was not the first foray into the bizarre for TEC's Office of Women's Ministries. In 2004, there was an outcry over two other offerings on OWM's section of the official church website: "A Women's Eucharist: A Celebration of the Divine Feminine" and a "Liturgy for Divorce." The Women's Eucharist made no mention of Christ, nor of his Body and Blood, but gave thanks to "Mother God" for things like menstrual blood and breasts.

It emerged that the Women's Eucharist had been on a Druid website since 1998. What's more, it had been penned by "Glispa," who turned out to be part of a husband/wife Episcopal clergy couple who up until a short time earlier had also been involved with and promoting modern-day Druidism, including nude mating rituals and invocation of the "Horned God." Once exposed, Pennsylvania clergy Glyn Ruppe-Melnyck and her husband, W. William Melnyck, repented of their Druidry; Mr. Melnyk lost his parochial job over the issue but Mrs. Melnyk kept hers.

The two offending services, which were removed from the OWM website in the 2004 controversy, were part of OWM's "Women's Liturgy Project" to collect worship resources written by women for women - an initiative that, given the latest from the OWM, is evidently ongoing.

*Sources included: Sandra Thomas Fox, "Reflection on the Holy Eucharist,"

Women's Ministries, http://www.ecusa.anglican.org/41685_60499_ENG_HTM.htm;

Women's Ministries, "Liturgies Using Feminine Images," http://www.ecusa.anglican.org/41685_60497_ENG_HTM.htm, a page that links to texts for the two liturgies;

Women's Ministries, http://www.ecusa.anglican.org/41685_31001_ENG_HTM.htm, a blurb for the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.


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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I REALLY like your tag. 8~)

Thanks - feel free to use it any time. :D

121 posted on 07/31/2006 12:21:57 PM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: wmfights
Implicit in the term "Mother of GOD" is that Mary was the creator of GOD and as such has special status.

Wrong as usual.

How come you don't believe Jesus is God?
122 posted on 08/01/2006 5:35:31 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: wmfights
God bless you. It's the first step in evangelizing. In my church 25% of our members are former RC's and it can be hard for them because of what they've been taught.

Actually, it was a blessing to me. I was one of those who had always refused to set foot in a Roman church for any reason.

I'm not sure if my playing Advent songs did them any good though I was told they really enjoyed it and some of the older ladies in the church were warmed by the memory of my grandmother, a sweet woman they knew well. But the exercise gave rise to many sweet hours of devotion for me, an opportunity to repent my harshness and unloving attitude. And if there is some other purpose that God has in mind, I'm agreeable. I think the briefest summary I could give of how it affected me is that it has made my heart softer but not my doctrine. So I'm not trying to be a predator with Rome's followers either. Spurgeon once observed that we would go after all the theologically straying Christians (including Rome's) once we had preached the gospel to all those who had never heard it. Spurgeon never ran out of the unchurched to preach to, even in his day in an England far more Christian than it is today. And America is a far greater mission field today than it was 50-100 years ago. So we live in a great mission field and Catholics are not our first targets for evangelism. Catholics have heard the gospel and they have not been forbidden to read scripture unsupervised for the last 90 years. So they hear it, perhaps too briefly exposited, in their churches and they have opportunity and even some encouragement to study it at home. And the current generation of Catholics are the best lay bible students they've ever had. We've seen a few of them here at FR.

If they have the Word, they become as responsible as the rest of us. They can, as God leads them, know its counsel and its doctrine as fully as any other person.

I am not casual about Rome's errors. I've had occasion to speak seriously with a few Catholics on doctrinal issues and my real concern is that they hold the fundaments of Christian faith very firmly. That they know and thoroughly believe they are sinners, that a sinless and perfect Savior came to atone their sins, that He rose from the dead. Also, that they should know and understand their responsibility to obey Christ, His personal commandments and admonitions. For instance, to practice loving forgiveness toward those brethren who repent their errors or missteps and ask forgiveness, as many times as they are asked.

If we love Christ, whether Catholic or Protestant or Baptist, we will keep His commandments just as He instructed. And we will do it in the spirit of His law, not by the letter of it. If you forgive your brother's transgressions, then forgive them, something that I had occasion recently to observe is fundamental to any Christian's walk or to any sound church. And this follows perfectly upon His command to love one another as He loves us.

What a muddled post. Sometimes, the internet simply isn't conducive to expressing personal experience. Or else I need to be a better organized writer.

BTW, have you noticed that most ex-Catholics that you know are more devoted to scripture than are some of those who were raised as Protestant/Baptist/evangelical? The ones I've known left Rome's churches for their love of scripture. They respond to the supernatural power of the Word and are most eager to learn it and grasp every bit of it properly.

You might enjoy one of my favorite web sites, a portion of the ministry of Richard Bennett, a former RC priest: Berean Beacon. One of his latest sermons is "The Accomplishments Of John Paul II". He has a lot of streaming audio content available. He was a strong opponent of ECT and is in the forefront of those warning of the errors of the Emergent Church movement, something whose influence has even reached my remote area as we were warned about this Sunday in a nice sermon in a little house church I attended with some friends.
123 posted on 08/02/2006 3:19:28 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: wmfights
I fall into that camp that was drawn and couldn't resist.

Ditto. It's most surprising if you're an atheist without hope of holding faith, off in your own little world beyond sermons and witnessing and perhaps with few prayers being offered sincerely on your behalf. And yet, God can send His grace to quicken the spirit of any hardened unbeliever and draw them to Him. It is an amazing thing to know that you are the object of His grace and mercy and have no one but Him to thank for it. I am still a very flawed Christian but I am grateful that He alone is the Author and Source of my faith.

It is a precious thing to know that those portions of scripture that are such a stumbling block to many are the only verses that explain to some of us how God has brought us to Him. The experience has not made me an exceptional Christian by any means. But it does demonstrate God's glory and mercy to even the most undeserving.
124 posted on 08/02/2006 3:32:44 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: FJ290
I know many Catholics that know Scripture better than Protestants.

Perhaps it would be better to say "I know many Catholics that know Scripture better than some Protestants." Or even "many Protestants". And toss in the Baptists and evangelicals and charismatics with the "Protestants" here.

Sound Protestants and Baptists and evangelicals do not pretend that all in their churches are sound. Or even saved. A pity Rome won't be so honest about her own flock but instead pretends that her sacramental system and purgatory will accomplish their salvation instead.

Pew-sitting in Rome's churches is no more the salvation of a sinner that warming a pew in a Baptist church.
125 posted on 08/02/2006 3:38:45 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: FJ290
As to the 25 percent of ex-Catholics that attend your church, what does that constitute? Three or four members? You sound like you belong to an Independent Baptist church and they can have as little as 40 members sometimes.

And how many members did the house church of Lydia constitute? How many members were in each of the ancient churches described in scripture? How many members does it take to make a 'real church'?

Careful here. There are three very small Roman Catholic churches in my area. Don't force me to tell them that other Catholics are asserting they are unsaved solely for the reason that they worship with fewer than '40 members'. For instance, the Roman church where I played Advent songs was smaller than many people's living rooms. And had only a single small crucifix and a very small (almost neglected) statue of Mary over at the corner of the dais. Other than those two items, it could have been taken for most any humble Protestant or Baptist church from a generation or two ago. Given that it was rather plain (and thankfully didn't contain a solid gold statue of Mary that was eight feet tall which would have caused me to flee), it was a charming little chapel. I couldn't help but observe that there were far more ornate and expensive Protestant churches in the area. And that is not any compliment to those Protestant churches by any means.
126 posted on 08/02/2006 3:53:00 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: gbcdoj; dangus; GCC Catholic
Book description: And he shows that saint worship is not just a pious devotion that Christians can take or leave as they choose. Rather, it must be part of the faith of every Christian, for it serves as a critical safeguard against atheism, pantheism, and idolatry.

Many Baptists and Protestants do in fact study the struggles of the ancient churches against heretics and the corruption of the Word. It is as profitable to us as it is to members of Rome's churches.

But we don't worship or venerate those ancient Christians. Not even Athanasius or Augustine. BTW, you are aware that Calvin and all of us who subscribe to the doctrines of grace he expounded are doing no more than believing in those portions of Augustine's teachings which Rome rejects? So I don't believe in Saint Calvin or Saint Augustine. But I have considerable regard for their teachings on doctrine and don't pretend they were sinless or more immune to temptation or sin than I am.

Given the rise of modern heresy, no Christian should be without the counsel offered by those we commonly refer to as the Ante-Nicene Fathers of the ancient churches. For instance, I had cause recently to investigate Bishop Lucifer and the Luciferian sect as reactionaries to the forgiveness of those who participated even slightly in the Arian heresy. It's a sound study for any person. And the Luciferians didn't outlast their first generation. But then again, I know many Baptists who don't have a clue who Athanasius was. I bet I could find plenty of Catholics who don't either.
127 posted on 08/02/2006 4:08:40 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Mission Accomplished" by Christ alone.

The real source of conflict between Rome and Prots/Baptists/evangelicals in the matter of Marian devotion/worship/intercession.

Looks like you're solidly on the Protestant side here.
128 posted on 08/02/2006 4:13:16 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Terabitten
Amen. We once interviewed a realtor who said "Blessed Be." That was the last time we saw him.

I would point out that 'Wicca' is actually a modern pagan belief, largely invented in the second decade of the last century and in the wake of the occult movement of the late nineteenth century.

Let's not give credence to their foolish and unhistorical claims of some ancient pedigree for their modern manufactured pagan religion. It's not much more ancient than Scientology and just as poorly founded. They're no more than modern and rather silly pagans, re-enacting some supposed ancient religion that has actually existed less than a hundred years.

Besides, I still like to sing "Blessed Be The Tie That Binds", a sweet and devotional hymn of the Reformation. It was written by John Fawcett, a Baptist brought to faith under the preaching of Whitefield in the early eighteenth century.

Let's not abandon it merely because of some modern gullible pagan wannabe's.

A brief podcast on the history of this great hymn: Stories Of Great Hymns
129 posted on 08/02/2006 4:36:04 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

"BTW, have you noticed that most ex-Catholics that you know are more devoted to scripture than are some of those who were raised as Protestant/Baptist/evangelical? "
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I'll have to think about this one. I don't know. I do know that once the Spirit inside turns the person early on they can't get enough SCRIPTURE, long term I am not sure.


130 posted on 08/02/2006 6:16:19 AM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: George W. Bush

"It is an amazing thing to know that you are the object of His grace and mercy and have no one but Him to thank for it. I am still a very flawed Christian but I am grateful that He alone is the Author and Source of my faith."
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Amen!


131 posted on 08/02/2006 6:19:00 AM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: wmfights
It is amazing when the most unlikely and difficult verses of scripture turn out to be about you personally.

But the Father does glorify Himself powerfully through the Son and the outworking of His plan. Funny how you never grasp all those verses about the glory of God and how faith is a gift from God until you experience it or know someone who has.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
This is not merely poetic or literary language. It is literally true.
132 posted on 08/02/2006 8:30:39 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
And how many members did the house church of Lydia constitute? How many members were in each of the ancient churches described in scripture? How many members does it take to make a 'real church'? Careful here. There are three very small Roman Catholic churches in my area. Don't force me to tell them that other Catholics are asserting they are unsaved solely for the reason that they worship with fewer than '40 members'.

You are totally missing the point of what I said. You made a positive assertion that 25% percent of your church are ex Roman Catholics. I asked you what your church membership was.. stating that some Baptist churches can have as little as 40 members. I NEVER said that the size of a church has to do with whether someone is saved or not. I am warning others here to be careful of possibly exaggerated numbers.

133 posted on 08/02/2006 9:20:49 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: George W. Bush
Perhaps it would be better to say "I know many Catholics that know Scripture better than some Protestants." Or even "many Protestants". And toss in the Baptists and evangelicals and charismatics with the "Protestants" here.

Baptists, evangelicals, and charismatics are Protestants. I don't care how many times Baptists want to say they aren't Protestants, historically you came out of the Reformation just like your other Protestant counterparts.

Sound Protestants and Baptists and evangelicals do not pretend that all in their churches are sound. Or even saved. A pity Rome won't be so honest about her own flock but instead pretends that her sacramental system and purgatory will accomplish their salvation instead.

LOL! Who ever made an assertion that we are perfect?

Pew-sitting in Rome's churches is no more the salvation of a sinner that warming a pew in a Baptist church.

See, this is where I am going to have to call you on this. Most Baptists I know think that once saved, always saved which is very much against Catholic doctrine. I would surmize that pew sitting amongst the Baptists would lead them to believe that they are saved.

134 posted on 08/02/2006 9:29:01 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: George W. Bush

>> Many Baptists and Protestants do in fact study the struggles of the ancient churches against heretics and the corruption of the Word. It is as profitable to us as it is to members of Rome's churches....But we don't worship or venerate those ancient Christians. <<

Well, by the way that book's author is using the word, you do.


135 posted on 08/02/2006 5:01:57 PM PDT by dangus
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To: FJ290
...I don't care how many times Baptists want to say they aren't Protestants, historically you came out of the Reformation just like your other Protestant counterparts.

Actually, the Church of England separated from Rome. Many in England wanted to embrace the fuller doctrines of their continental Reformation brethren. In general, these were the Puritans. Among this group were some who came to be called the Separatists who were similar but not the same as the already established Presbyterians and other Puritans. From the Separatists came the Congregationalists, the fourth of the great Reformation churches, distinguished by its strong belief in local control of churches. The Baptists came from them due mostly to their belief in the baptism of believers only, just as depicted in the New Testament.
In 1609, John Smyth led a group of separatists to the Netherlands to start the General Baptist church with an Arminian theology. In 1616, Henry Jacob led a group of Puritans in England with a Calvinist theology to form a congregational church that would eventually become the Particular Baptists in 1638 under John Spilsbury. Both groups had members who sailed to America as pilgrims to avoid religious persecution in England and Europe and who started Baptist churches in the early colonies. The Particular and General Baptists would disagree over Arminianism and Calvinism until the formation of the Baptist Union of Great Britain in the 1800s under Andrew Fuller and William Carey for the purpose of missions. American Baptists soon followed suit.
This is the Separatist view of Baptist history. Most informed Baptists believe this. The competing Landmark and Anabaptist views of Baptist history is not credible outside certain circles.

So you can call us Protestants. But it's not entirely accurate or a clear distinction. And the earliest Baptists were Arminian, not Calvinist/Augustinian.
136 posted on 08/02/2006 5:47:48 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
So you can call us Protestants. But it's not entirely accurate or a clear distinction. And the earliest Baptists were Arminian, not Calvinist/Augustinian.

According to this Baptist website, it's pretty accurate to call Baptists Protestants:

Baptist Contributions to Protestantism

Baptist Beginnings

137 posted on 08/02/2006 6:01:47 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: dangus; Dr. Eckleburg
Well, by the way that book's author is using the word, you do.

Worship Mary? Worship dead Christians of ancient renown?

Dream on.

Admiring them, studying their struggles, making certain we do not repeat their errors or the errors of their heretical adversaries, these are the object of our interest.

We do not worship them. We do not venerate them devotionally (though admiration can get close). Most importantly, we do not pray to them for intercession for our sins or to answer particular worldly needs.

For instance, let's examine the attributes of just one of the venerated saints of Rome (via Wikipedia):
Saint Fiacre (or Fiachra) was born in Ireland in the seventh century. He was better known in France, where he built a hospice for travellers in what is now Saint-Fiacre. His relics are installed in Meaux Cathedral. In Ireland his feast day is 1 September; elsewhere it is 18 August.

He is the patron saint of:

Taxi drivers

The first horse-drawn carriages in France were offered outside the Hotel Saint-Fiacre in Paris. This later led to him becoming the patron of taxi-drivers and to fiacre becoming a word in the French language for a carriage.

Venereal disease

Fiacre was famously misogynistic, which, it is argued, is the reason he became connected with venereal disease sufferers.

Horticulturists

The patron of horticulturists, outside his hospice Fiacre ploughed a very fertile garden, with only his walking stick.

Hemorrhoids

It is said that Fiacre became the patron of hemorrhoid sufferers after taxi-drivers began to suffer from the complaint, after sitting down for so many hours at a time.
Now a Protestant might almost envy the Catholic who is a syphilitic and hemorrhoidal taxi driver who dabbles in horticulture. He can get all his prayers interceded for by just one patron saint! Imagine the money saved on candles alone!

Do not imagine that we "Protestants" have anything in common with this morass of superstition. It's downright embarassing to know that people actually believe this bilge.
138 posted on 08/02/2006 6:16:27 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Ahh The Gods must be crazy, required viewing in my anthropology class ,.


139 posted on 08/02/2006 7:05:49 PM PDT by ears_to_hear ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see. ")
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To: George W. Bush
Now a Protestant might almost envy the Catholic who is a syphilitic and hemorrhoidal taxi driver who dabbles in horticulture. He can get all his prayers interceded for by just one patron saint! Imagine the money saved on candles alone!
Do not imagine that we "Protestants" have anything in common with this morass of superstition. It's downright embarassing to know that people actually believe this bilge.

The real embarrassment is that it still goes on today .

140 posted on 08/02/2006 7:08:47 PM PDT by ears_to_hear ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see. ")
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