Some Catholics Believe ProLife Means Vegetarian

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[fruitarian108]

What you have done to these the least of My brethren you have done unto Me.

CATHOLIC VEGETARIAN SAINTS

St Francis of Assisi, St Clare, stigmatist St Therese Neumann, St. Martin de Porres, St John Chrysostom, St Anthony of Padua who preached to fishes when humans would not listen.. St Nicholas of Tolentino* believed they were following the example of Jesus in not eating His animals. Trappists, Cistercians, Benedictines, Franciscans all have had a tradition of vegetarian diet, to which many still adhere. The pretzel was says George Cornell former AP religion writer a Lenten bread, symbolizing arms folded in prayer.. Lentils were named as such because they were a Lenten vegetarian alternative to animal flesh. Meatless Fridays were the last vestige of early Christian abstinence from meat in following Christ's example. A papal bull once excommunicated anyone who attended a bullfight because the barbaric cruelty in them. This was later amended to excommunicate only priests who blessed bullfighting. BIBLICAL ORIGINS Genesis 1: 29, Isaiah 65, Daniel 1 Exodus 26: 34 are some of the thousands of quotes in the Bible on vegetarian diet. The command to feed the hungry, given by Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount, implies vegetarianism since the flesh of animals yields 100 to 1000 lbs an acre, dairy products around 10,000 lbs. an acre, some vegetables, 81,000 lbs. an acre, and fruits from centenarian fruit trees 450,000 or more lbs. an acre. Therefore Genesis fruit trees yield 450 times what slaughterhouses yield. Daniel O'Steen, of National Right To Life, felt he must be consistent in his prolife stance and so many years ago became a vegetarian. Clare Obis, mother of 6 boys, created a successful media campaign when Mike Royko refused to allow her vegetarian gluten ribs in his cooking contest.

[Coleus]

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[lastchance]

I was just making a joke. I was vegetarian for a number of years and am aware of the arguments in its favor.
I also know that you can get all the essential amino acids by combining foods such as rice and beans. So unless a person needs extra vitamin B12 there is usually no health reasons to not be vegetarian.

But I do not see it as a prolife position or one which is found in Catholic dogma. I do not think the eating of animals makes someone less of a life affirming Christian. I am down right disgusted by people such as PETA members who compare the raising of livestock with lynchings. Or ethicists who give the life of a dog more value then that of a handicapped child. Both of these schools of thought embrace vegeterianism as an animal rights issue. They view any use of animals as illicit. Often at the expense of man. Look at the animal right terrorists in England and the effect they have had on scientific research.

For those reasons I am somewhat skeptical when I am told being vegetarian is a prolife issue.

[Lilllabettt]

If you heard the screams of the slaughterhouse, perhaps you would understand.

If only unborn babies could scream, then pro-abortioners might hear them dying in the clinic on their street corner, and then maybe they'd understand the horror going on in their own midst.

Alot of animal rights activists point to "torture" that cattle, poultry, etc. endure. But there are animal cruelty laws on the books. If my neighbor burned off a dog's skin, and then tore it limb from limb, until it was dead, I would call the cops and he'd be arrested. His heinous crime would be broadcast on the evening news. He would be shunned by friends and family as a sicko. Maybe he would lose his job.

But doctors do these things to babies every single day. And it is all. Perfectly. Legal. In many "civilized" circles, it is not at all taboo anymore.

In our country, animals are better protected than human beings.

How messed up.

[ichabod1]

And the Passover usually served lamb!

Absolutely HAD TO serve lamb, or else you weren't eating the passover.

[ichabod1]

If someone wants to live meatless as a sacrifice to God I think it's healthy. If they want to do it to promote some godless leftist idealogy, while pretending to do it in the name of Catholicism, I think it's profane.

[siunevada]

If they want to do it to promote some godless leftist idealogy, while pretending to do it in the name of Catholicism, I think it's profane.

Well, the headline is dishonest at a minimum. What "some Catholics believe" may or may not have anything to do with the Catholic faith. Dietary preferences have nothing to do with the faith, that's a personal matter.

It's interesting that the headline does not refer to the beliefs of "some Unitarians" or "all Buddhists".

[MrEdd]

IB4TZ!

[fruitarian108]

As a Catholic nun whose book was made the movie Brides of Christ said in her life story,
"the Pope should not interfere in matters of individual
conscience."

Right now, Catholic taxes are stolen and given for
Lockheed planes and Lockheed bunker buster bombs which are burning
the little ones of Lebanon. Prolife is universal..
no war, no executions, no slaughterhouses.

Isaiah: I delight not in yoru blood sacrifice.

[fruitarian108]

What you call 'godless leftist ideology' is the socialism
of Jesus and His true followers who held their possessions
in common.

[fruitarian108]

Foetuses like fish cannot scream. I have never had
an abortion, even though my life was threatened by my
pregnancy and I lost consciousness on the way to delivery
as my placenta broke away.

[siunevada]

What you call 'godless leftist ideology'

That would be someone else's comment. You can't tell the players without a scorecard.

[Pyro7480]

What you call 'godless leftist ideology' is the socialism of Jesus and His true followers who held their possessions in common.

There is what appears to be socialism in the Acts of the Apostles. However, if you go by the Didache, that way of living was not mandated.

From The Didache:

And the way of death is this: First of all it is evil and accursed: murders, adultery, lust, fornication, thefts, idolatries, magic arts, witchcrafts, rape, false witness, hypocrisy, double-heartedness, deceit, haughtiness, depravity, self-will, greediness, filthy talking, jealousy, over-confidence, loftiness, boastfulness; persecutors of the good, hating truth, loving a lie, not knowing a reward for righteousness, not cleaving to good nor to righteous judgment, watching not for that which is good, but for that which is evil; from whom meekness and endurance are far, loving vanities, pursuing revenge, not pitying a poor man, not laboring for the afflicted, not knowing Him Who made them, murderers of children, destroyers of the handiwork of God, turning away from him who is in want, afflicting him who is distressed, advocates of the rich, lawless judges of the poor, utter sinners. Be delivered, children, from all these.

[Pyro7480]

As a Catholic nun whose book was made the movie Brides of Christ said in her life story, "the Pope should not interfere in matters of individual conscience."

What do you mean by this?

Prolife is universal.. no war, no executions, no slaughterhouses.

That is an error. Sometimes, war is justified to defend life. Whether specific wars are just can be debatable, but the just war theory in general is a completely defensible position.

[siunevada]

As a Catholic nun whose book was made the movie Brides of Christ said in her life story

If you are referring to the Australian miniseries Brides of Christ, that appears to be a fictional treatment written for television, not based on an autobiography.

[ArrogantBustard]

Catholic taxes are stolen and given for Lockheed planes and Lockheed bunker buster bombs

That's one of the very few uses of my tax money that I actually approve of.

BTW, the JDAM kit is made by Boeing, and its use is very much in accord with the "discrimination" requirement of the jus in bello side of the Just War doctrine. The F-18 Hornet was designed by McDonnell-Douglas (now part of Boeing). The F-15 Eagle was likewise designed by Mc-D (now part of Boeing). The F-16 Falcon is built by General Dynamics. The B-1 Lancer was built by North American (now part of Boeing). the A-10 Warthog was built by Fairchild Republic. The AC-130 Spectre gunship and the F-22 Raptor are the only Lockheed combat aircraft in current service with the USA. I don't understand your bugaboo with Lockheed. The Israeli military uses a subset of these aircraft types. All of these aircraft, and their various weapons systems, are initially designed and constantly upgraded to increase precision with which they deliver ordnance, specifically to avoid civilian casualties. We, in the West, spend huge amounts of money and risk the lives of our Soldiers, in order to avoid "burning the little ones". Unfortunately, our mohammedan enemies deliberately put innocents in harm's way. Perhaps your rage would be better directed at them.

[hellinahandcart]

I know of no one truly equipped to write of the roots of words.

If your decision to believe that Jesus meant "flesh-eaters" instead of "whited sepulchers" is not based on knowledge, upon what IS it based?

Catholics are equal in God's eyes to people of any other path.

That's not an answer to the question. Come on, you're not even trying.

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[Coleus]

The Church acknowledges the legitimate role of profit as an indication that a business is functioning well. When a firm makes a profit, this means that productive factors have been properly employed and corresponding human needs have been duly satisfied. Pope John Paul II

[Coleus]

To God all the creatures He created are sacred.  >>>

Yea right.   God gave us dominion over all animals and gave us all the animals to eat, try reading Genesis.

I have yet to see any church document that refers to vegetarianism.  If you notice, most liberal democrat Catholics who subscribe to this vegetarian, pantheistic lifestyle vote for left-wing, pro-abortion politicians and are themselves for abortion and do nothing for the unborn.  I see nothing in these documents that equate abortion and killing animals for food, clothing, etc.    What I see are a lot of hypocrites and phonies who are in a world of their own and are severely demented and misled.  They will do everything to save the turtle eggs, the spotted owl and the humpback whale and do nothing to save the murdering and slaughtering of God's image in the womb. 

Abortion was rejected in the earliest known Christian manual of discipline, the Didache.

The Catholic Church is a Pro-Life Church

No one but the Creator is the sovereign of basic human rights -- beginning with the right to life. We are daughters and sons of the one God who, outside and above us all, grants us the freedom, dignity and rights of personhood which no one else can take away.......  

......We cannot simultaneously commit ourselves to human rights and progress while eliminating or marginalizing the weakest among us. Nor can we practice the Gospel of life only as a private piety. American Catholics must live it vigorously and publicly, as a matter of national leadership and witness, or we will not live it at all..... 

.....Direct abortion is never a morally tolerable option. It is always a grave act of violence against a woman and her unborn child. This is so even when a woman does not see the truth because of the pressures she may be subjected to, often by the child's father, her parents or friends. Similarly, euthanasia and assisted suicide are never acceptable acts of mercy. They always gravely exploit the suffering and desperate, extinguishing life in the name of the "quality of life" itself. This same teaching against direct killing of the innocent condemns all direct attacks on innocent civilians in time of war.....

..We urge those Catholic officials who choose to depart from Church teaching on the inviolability of human life in their public life to consider the consequences for their own spiritual well being, as well as the scandal they risk by leading others into serious sin......"Living the Gospel of Life" USCCB

"The inviolability of the person, which is a reflection of the absolute inviolability of God, finds its primary and fundamental expression in the inviolability of human life. Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights -- for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture -- is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition of all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination . . . The human being is entitled to such rights in every phase of development, from conception until natural death, whether healthy or sick, whole or handicapped, rich or poor . . . [Moreover, if,] indeed, everyone has the mission and responsibility of acknowledging the personal dignity of every human being and of defending the right to life, some lay faithful are given particular title to this task: such as parents, teachers, health workers and the many who hold economic and political power"  Pope John Paul II in The Vocation and the Mission of the Lay Faithful in the Church and in the World (Christifideles Laici)

The following is from Pope John Paul II.

Rerum novarum criticizes two social and economic systems: socialism and liberalism. The opening section, in which the right to private property is reaffirmed, is devoted to socialism.

Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is thus reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decision disappears, the very subject whose decisions build the social order. From this mistaken conception of the person there arise both a distortion of law, which defines the sphere of the exercise of freedom, and an opposition to private property. A person who is deprived of something he can call "his own", and of the possibility of earning a living through his own initiative, comes to depend on the social machine and on those who control it. This makes it much more difficult for him to recognize his dignity as a person, and hinders progress towards the building up of an authentic human community.

[Dajjal]

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[Coleus]

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