[NYer]

Those who watched the Mass on EWTN, you may recall seeing the pope use this chalice. Here is a close up.

[cammie]

"It's impossible Jesus drank from it; that there were such rich and fine vessels used at the Last Supper was nonsensical," he said, especially since Jesus and most of the apostles came from humble or poor backgrounds. I beg to differ! According to world-famous archeologist Indiana Jones, the Pope must have chosen wisely or else y'all know what would have happened! :-)

[wideawake]

"He most probably used a cup made from glass like everybody else," he said.

It seems Father Utro, who probably knows quite a bit about art, is not up to snuff on life in ancient Israel.

While glassware certainly existed, earthenware was far more common and stoneware wasn't any rarer than glassware.

[keithtoo]

"We seek the grail"

[mtbopfuyn]

The custodian of the "Santo Caliz," or Holy Grail, said the age of the stone chalice and documents tracing its history back to 1071 make it "absolutely likely that this beautiful cup was in the hands of the Lord" during the Last Supper.

1071? So, He didn't die on the cross but lived to be a very, very, very, very, very old and obviously quite wealthy man?

[marshmallow]

Think of all the thousands of pages of sensationalist tripe which have been devoted to this subject by hacks like Brown and the numerous rolls of Hollywood cellulose acetate, all of which have lapped up eagerly by the dumbed down hoi polloi.

The Pope offers the Holy Sacrifice with the real Holy Grail and nobody bats an eyelid.

Typical.

We deserve to be hoodwinked and deceived by liars and con artists.

[Salvation]

Pictures of another Pope:

The Grail of the Last Supper

The Grail of the Last Supper

"This is the cup of my blood. It shall be shed for you and for all, so that sins may be forgiven..."

 

 

Used by Jesus Christ in the Cenacle of Jerusalem. Rescued from Jerusalem by St Peter. Used as Papal chalice by 24 Popes of Rome. Rescued from the Roman Catacombs by St Laurentze. Hidden in a farmhouse for 3 centuries, in monasteries, chapels and cathedrals of Aragon (South Pyrenees) for 1000 years. Disputed by monks, kings, archbishops, emirs... Lauded by poets, writers, composers ... Tried to get by Fürers, Marxists, Freemasons...        It is the Holy Grail, today custodied in the 'Santa Catedral de Valencia' (Spain).

This Chalice is the only admited as Holy for Christian world. Venerable Pope John XXIII awarded indulgences to people making pilgrimage to the Chapel del Santo Caliz in Valencia . Pope Pio XII awarded "Sacram Communionen" to this Chapel where the Holy Grail is present. On 1966 March12, The Cofradia del Santo Caliz was established in Valencia, its rules are in the Vatican, and the head office in Cathedral of Valencia. This Cofradia is able to award 'Caballero' or 'Dama' del Holy Grail to Christians willing to fulfill these rules. There are Caballeros del Santo Caliz in a lot of nations of the world. His Holiness Pope John Paul II is Caballero de Honor Perpetuo.

The Grail of the Last Supper

The Grail of the Last Supper

"This is the cup of my blood. It shall be shed for you and for all, so that sins may be forgiven..."

[Petronski]

...absolutely likely...

Huh?

[dangus]

>> "It's impossible Jesus drank from it; that there were such rich and fine vessels used at the Last Supper was nonsensical," he said, especially since Jesus and most of the apostles came from humble or poor backgrounds. <<

>> "He most probably used a cup made from glass like everybody else," he said. <<

Mr. Utro is not a very good Catholic, and doesn't understand ancient cultures very well for a curator. He's too used to Wal-Mart apparently.

First, Jesus and the apostles, contrary to the Marxist class-warfare bullsh!+ that infects the Church, were NOT poor. Some of the apostles owned their own fishing boats, and Jesus had a professional craft. They would have had hard lives according to OUR lives, but well off for their days.

Now, our economy is so large because off the cheapness of mass production. Anything not mass-produced has become greatly exaggerated in cost to what has not been mass produced. Handcrafts that cost 2 months' salary of a Joe Schmoe century ago still cost 2 months' salary for a Joe Schmoe today. Populations were fairly stable so heirlooms weren't endlessly divided. Religious artifacts were most highly valued heirlooms.

Noble elements such as Gold weren't decorative; they were practical. Craft something out of iron, and you have to craft it again, every generation. Craft it out of gold, and it survives many generations, and actually becomes more economical than iron.

Jesus had friends with uppity-ups, and had relatives who taught in the synagogues. He was a rabbi. His mother grew up in the very Temple of Jerusalem, and was known by professional prophets and prophetesses. As a well-regarded religious teacher, it is quite very likely SOMEONE would have given him an heirloom. He certainly didn't sneeze at 200 silver peices' worth of perfume being poured over his feet and hair.

Mr. Utro may have rejected the Da Vinci Code, but apparently fell for Indiana Jones' nonsense without having used his brain.

[stboz]

"Ah tole him we already got one!"

"Now go away or I shall taunt you a second timeah!"

[RightWhale]

It might be so. It is the kind of thing the kings of Persia liked to have around the marble palace.

[Cicero]

"He most probably used a cup made from glass like everybody else," he said.

This seems ignorant to me. Glass vessels were very rare and precious at the time.

As several Freepers have noted, the ancient cup is of stone, a simple bowl shape. The rest of it is a precious setting that was added later out of respect for the cup.