At Mass in Valencia, pope used what tradition says is Holy Grail

Catholic News Service ^ | July 10, 2006 | Carol Glatz

[cammie]

Nah, I mean the line in the Indiana Jones movie, which I think was "this is the cup of a carpenter." "Rabbi" would have made the audience think...

[Salvation]

Pictures of another Pope:

The Grail of the Last Supper

The Grail of the Last Supper

"This is the cup of my blood. It shall be shed for you and for all, so that sins may be forgiven..."

 

 

Used by Jesus Christ in the Cenacle of Jerusalem. Rescued from Jerusalem by St Peter. Used as Papal chalice by 24 Popes of Rome. Rescued from the Roman Catacombs by St Laurentze. Hidden in a farmhouse for 3 centuries, in monasteries, chapels and cathedrals of Aragon (South Pyrenees) for 1000 years. Disputed by monks, kings, archbishops, emirs... Lauded by poets, writers, composers ... Tried to get by Fürers, Marxists, Freemasons...        It is the Holy Grail, today custodied in the 'Santa Catedral de Valencia' (Spain).

This Chalice is the only admited as Holy for Christian world. Venerable Pope John XXIII awarded indulgences to people making pilgrimage to the Chapel del Santo Caliz in Valencia . Pope Pio XII awarded "Sacram Communionen" to this Chapel where the Holy Grail is present. On 1966 March12, The Cofradia del Santo Caliz was established in Valencia, its rules are in the Vatican, and the head office in Cathedral of Valencia. This Cofradia is able to award 'Caballero' or 'Dama' del Holy Grail to Christians willing to fulfill these rules. There are Caballeros del Santo Caliz in a lot of nations of the world. His Holiness Pope John Paul II is Caballero de Honor Perpetuo.

The Grail of the Last Supper

The Grail of the Last Supper

"This is the cup of my blood. It shall be shed for you and for all, so that sins may be forgiven..."

[ArrogantBustard]

It makes for some interesting speculation, either way. And there certainly are some interesting artifacts floating around in the obscure chapels of Europe.

[Jaded]

I'd love to see what's locked away in the Vatican Library.

[A CA Guy]

Many churches close and some alters, religious objects and such are being sold all over the world now.

[Petronski]

...absolutely likely...

Huh?

[ArrogantBustard]

My Parish has 'benefited' from some of that ... we were able to get a lot of very fine furnishings for our new church for next to nothing.

[A CA Guy]

So has night clubs.

[A CA Guy]

has = have

[dangus]

>> "It's impossible Jesus drank from it; that there were such rich and fine vessels used at the Last Supper was nonsensical," he said, especially since Jesus and most of the apostles came from humble or poor backgrounds. <<

>> "He most probably used a cup made from glass like everybody else," he said. <<

Mr. Utro is not a very good Catholic, and doesn't understand ancient cultures very well for a curator. He's too used to Wal-Mart apparently.

First, Jesus and the apostles, contrary to the Marxist class-warfare bullsh!+ that infects the Church, were NOT poor. Some of the apostles owned their own fishing boats, and Jesus had a professional craft. They would have had hard lives according to OUR lives, but well off for their days.

Now, our economy is so large because off the cheapness of mass production. Anything not mass-produced has become greatly exaggerated in cost to what has not been mass produced. Handcrafts that cost 2 months' salary of a Joe Schmoe century ago still cost 2 months' salary for a Joe Schmoe today. Populations were fairly stable so heirlooms weren't endlessly divided. Religious artifacts were most highly valued heirlooms.

Noble elements such as Gold weren't decorative; they were practical. Craft something out of iron, and you have to craft it again, every generation. Craft it out of gold, and it survives many generations, and actually becomes more economical than iron.

Jesus had friends with uppity-ups, and had relatives who taught in the synagogues. He was a rabbi. His mother grew up in the very Temple of Jerusalem, and was known by professional prophets and prophetesses. As a well-regarded religious teacher, it is quite very likely SOMEONE would have given him an heirloom. He certainly didn't sneeze at 200 silver peices' worth of perfume being poured over his feet and hair.

Mr. Utro may have rejected the Da Vinci Code, but apparently fell for Indiana Jones' nonsense without having used his brain.

[ArrogantBustard]

I know ... I consider that very unfortunate. At best. Some of the uses to which 'nightclubs' put some of those artifacts are sacriligious at best, blashpemous at worst.

[A CA Guy]

I don't get why some churches wouldn't come get the stuff to store it.

[ArrogantBustard]

In the United States, at least, many dioceses have a closed church or two that serve as a warehouses for for this stuff ... Most of our old furnishings came from various closed churches in eastern Pennsylvania or Baltimore. Most of the items needed some work, but we have some seriously talented parishoners.

[A CA Guy]

I'm glad to read your post.
Sure seems a waste of available product for other churches if they didn't store it.

[redgolum]

The Grail is one of those funny fascinations of mine. If I remember right, that particular cup has a lot of extra stuff gilded on to the bottom. The only "real" portion would be the stone cup on the top.

Which would make sense, since stoneware was considered impossible to make unclean, it was very popular around the first century.

[redgolum]

For the rich, glass was pretty common. In Pompeii, there have been find of complete drinking sets.

But I suspect that it was either a cheap clay cup or a stone cup.

[stboz]

"Ah tole him we already got one!"

"Now go away or I shall taunt you a second timeah!"

[Jaded]

Tres cool.

Y'know, I was thinking earlier how many people would never belive the stone portion to be the Grail.

Many don't belive in the shroud or the sudarium or the Tilma or Lanciano or Fatima. People can come up with all sorts of explanations or excuses for why not. We more readily believe that it is a fraud rather than the Lord God who created everything could preserve some material article. We talk about faith but do we really belive in anything beyond what man can do? So many so little faith.

Oh well, I'm tired.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Wow don't you know it. Some years ago a tiny portion of the Vatican's art collection was toured and I saw it at the Art Institute of Chicago. Spectacular is too mild a term.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Upon what evidence do you base your statement that Mary was brought up in the Temple?