Posted on 06/29/2006 5:36:14 PM PDT by NYer
ROME, JUNE 29, 2006 (Zenit.org).- An Egyptian Muslim and deputy director of a prominent Italian newspaper suggested that Mary could be the figure who brings Christians and Muslims together.
Magdi Allam of Il Corriere della Sera spoke to ZENIT about the appeal he launched in the pages of the national daily newspaper to Muslims living in Italy to visit the Marian shrines in their host country.
The journalist said that he is convinced that the Virgin Mary is a meeting point between Christians and Muslims.
"Mary is a figure present in the Koran, which dedicates an entire sura [chapter ed.n.] to her and mentions her some thirty times. In Muslim countries there are Marian shrines that are the object of veneration and pilgrimage by Christian and Muslim faithful," he said.
"Therefore, I believe that if this happens in Muslim countries, why can't it happen in a Christian country, especially in a historical phase in which we need to define symbols, values and figures that unite religions, spiritualities and cultures?" he asked.
In Allam's opinion, "the Marian pilgrimage of Loreto -- Italy's National Shrine -- could represent a moment of meeting and spiritual gathering between Muslims and Catholics, around Mary, a religious figure that is venerated by both religions."
Vittorio Messori, author of book-interviews with Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Benedict XVI), also wrote in Il Corriere della Sera on June 15 in support of Allam.
He said that the dialogue between Christians and Muslims "can begin afresh from Mary."
Why switch topics?
We are discussing WHY Mary is NOT without sin?
Can you remain focused?
The Bible is clear that Mary is NOT without sin!
Stop avoiding the obvious!
Growing up in the 50s, I still recall (with much retrospective amazement) that his program aired live each week on public television. My grandmother insisted that we watch it! He was watched by catholics, protestants and even Jews, many of whom wrote to him in gratitude. He was the first televangelist! Thank you, Mother Angelica and EWTN, for preserving these programs and rebroadcasting them to new audiences!
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LOL, Fr. Newhousen busting on McCarrick saying he walks right down the middle, a unique position for a priest.
Each time I ask you to prove this, you ignore me and move on to someone else. I have posted scriptural rebuttals to all of your arguments yet have not had a response. The courtesy of a response to those previous posts is requested.
The Bible is clear that Mary is NOT without sin!
Each time I ask you to prove this, you ignore me and move on to someone else. I have posted scriptural rebuttals to all of your arguments yet have not had a response. The courtesy of a response to those previous posts is requested.
226 posted on 06/30/2006 5:22:10 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
"It is my understaning that a "Private" message is actually private; if that's true, is it OK for that "private" message it to be posted publicly? "
When a "private" message is ONLY meant to harass, and the sender INSISTS on harassement - then it becomes a problem. Typically, it STOPS, when these PRIVATE, UNWANTED E-MAILS are posted PUBLICALLY. Isn't it ODD that the sender won't say THIS in PUBLIC?
"And if a person is sending private messages to someone, and that someone doesn't want to be receiving the private messages, doesn't that someone have recourse to the Religion Moderator for a correction, rather than the entire forum of readers? "
I did just that and still the "PRIVATE" messages continued.
When posted PUBLICALLY, they STOPPED.
Why would you ever expect courtesy from one of these folks? A courteous person would not go on a thread dealing with the Blessed Mother for the purpose of attacking Our Lady and Catholic beliefs concerning her. Yet these fundamentalists do this all the time, and then whine if someone doesn't like their style of "evangelical outreach."
And I don't see the point of extending courtesy to such as them. When someone attacks your mother, you don't "reason" with him about the attack, you defend your mother. This is one of the reasons C. S. Lewis didn't include any discussion of Mary in "Mere Christianity," because he recognized that chivalry would require Catholics to respond forcefully to any attack on Mary. And chivalry demands that still.
You said the same thing earlier on the thread, and NYer corrected you, yet you posted it again.
Smart man, that C.S. Lewis. ;-)
It also sounds like part of the plot to one of Chesteron's novels. From Review The Ball and the Cross
The Ball and the Cross is also about the clash of ideas in the most literal sense possible. Idealistic and naïve Catholic Scotsman Evan MacIan (pronounced Mac ION) is on his first trip to London. No sooner is he off the train when he runs afoul of the law. Infuriated by a news article that compares the Virgin Mary with one of many select, slutty Oriental Love goddesses, the humble Highlander hurls a brick through the newspaper’s office window. The newspaper in question is “The Atheist” and has been dutifully manned by devout atheist, James Turnbull. Until MacIan’s brick brought it some press, “The Atheist” had pretty much been ignored as “harmless” by most of London’s news hungry populace. Turnbull is quite grateful for MacIan providing him some much needed publicity. MacIan, however, ungraciously responds by challenging Turnbull to a sword duel to the death.
Don't accuse me of being dishonest. That's a personal attack. I'm showing that St. Paul says in one breath one thing, and in another breath he says there were some that have NOT sinned.
Also you're using a modern version I believe. The Douay Rheims is closer, IMO, to the original text:
"But death reigned from Adam unto Moses, even over them also WHO HAVE NOT SINNED after the similitude of the trangression of Adam, who is a figure of him who was to come."
The King James Version:
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Looks to me whatever version you are using is doing its best to get around what St. Paul really said.
"Not "bashing", just disagreement with statements in your posts and correcting the errors."
LOL!
My replies are "error" free. My replies came from the Bible and in the proper context.
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