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To: Frank Sheed

"Reform of the Reform" means reforming the Novus Ordo as opposed to throwing it out and returning to the Tridentine Mass. It means undoing changes that were made to the Mass after the Second Vatican Council that were not mandated by the Council, such as communion in the hand, altar girls, or requiring the priest to face the people. Reforming the Reform would include such things as putting Latin prayers and Gregorian chant back into the Mass, using bells and incense, having more times of silence during the Mass. It would mean ending liturgical abuses while improving the solemnity and quality of liturgical music and art. In short, it would be to implement the reform of the liturgy that was actually envisioned by the Fathers of the Council.


19 posted on 06/24/2006 9:39:40 AM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: steadfastconservative

That will never happen in "Happy Catholic Communities".
They would ignore the changes and in the end, the "Power Players" would throw a hissy fit.
No one would police them and things would remain status quo.


20 posted on 06/24/2006 10:15:13 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: steadfastconservative

Post 15 links to the changes of the language of the Mass that was voted upon by the USCCB. While some of these amendments may be accepted, many will not be considered.

With the word coming from Rome asking for more Gregorian Chant in worship, and with a return to a concern for the central placement of tabernacles in Churches, I think this reform is underway.

I am not sure why the Tridentine is not considered part of that reform? As Napoleon was fond of saying "Pas d'ennemis a droit" (there are not enemies to your right; this presumes that the leftists are where troubles will arise). Since those who love the Tridentine Mass will be to the right, and since they are those who tend to love chant, how are they not a part of the reform when their numbers are so small?

F


21 posted on 06/24/2006 11:56:34 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: steadfastconservative

You highlight attributes of the longed for "reform of the reform" that are already part of the High form of Tridentine Mass, and yet you seem to be condemning the Tridentine Mass as something that can never be returned to. The fact is that the Tridentine mass is closer to what Vatican II envisioned than the current "reform of the reform" envisions. None of the bishops who signed up for Vatican II's changes envisioned the Novus Ordo. All envisioned an updated Tridentine Mass. It's arguable that based on the writings of the Holy Father that he sees a gradual return to the Tridentine mass as the long goal of the "reform of the reform." You should try the Tridentine mass as the Novus Ordo is toxic in its current implementation in most parishes in the United States.


27 posted on 07/06/2006 12:29:21 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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