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Alright, here's another... the Scripture where Christ says of Judas "better if he had not been born". I'm too lazy to look it up, but you know of if I'm sure, being part of the Church of God and stuff. It's simple, watch: if, as you say, the unsaved-dead feel no pain, think no thoughts, know nothing, and if it is also the case that the not-born feel no pain, think no thoughts, and know nothing, then it is impossible that for one to be better off not being born, as both not-born and unsaved-dead states are the same. Simple.

Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

I'm not sure how that proves the point. Like everyone, Judas will be resurrected. He will go through a judgement period. No doubt it will be harsh and quite a mental torment. Imagine KNOWING that you had a hand in killing the messiah, the saviour. Imagine the guilt, the shame, maybe anger, frustration. He will then have to complemplate that his friends and family will have eternal bliss, while his fate will be to be the lake of fire to be burned up, possibly alive.

Indeed, it would have been better for him if he had not been born.

I'm not sure how that proves the point.

It doesn't! And that is why I gave up on any future discourse unless some admissions were made which were very plain in scripture. When scripture says something very specifically.... but one's theology contradicts that scripture, I can understand how it would be difficult to face that reality. I think we have witnessed a great case of difficulty.

By the way....I forgot to thank you for this thread. it has been a delightful read.