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To: Diego1618

Again, it is the considered opinion now, and through all of history that scripture completely contradicts your (rare) view. When the direct quotes of Jesus are given, you just talk around the obvious adult meaning understood in normal language. No serious scholar taught, (nor does scripture) the charicature of "fork tailed devils" that is your attempt to make orthodoxy look absurd, they only read the natural meaning of exactly what Jesus said.

The ancient creeds (Apostles and Nicene) ALL acknowlege the physical resurrection of ALL the dead, NOT just Christians. Christians' bodies rise to eternal life, and non-Christians rise to eternal punishment. It is the C of God that has left orthodoxy, not visa versa.

If I were part of a church in which on a basic issue differed from 99% of Christians now, and throughout history, I would be defensive too.

Ancient Christian orthodox doctrine is not spin, it is the considered judgement of (many, many) devout scholars over the centuries on exactly what the Bible teaches.

But hey, I don't condemn all denominations but my own. Do you?


37 posted on 06/13/2006 2:50:08 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (Rome may fall again...)
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To: AnalogReigns
The ancient creeds (Apostles and Nicene) ALL acknowledge the physical resurrection of ALL the dead, NOT just Christians.

I understand your thinking on this and it does represent the thinking of most of the "Mainstream Church". I am not trying to be defensive, but you have to admit most folks would reply that "fork tailed devils" would be the order of the day for "their" view of hell.

If as you say, all the dead will be resurrected....where are those wicked dead right now? Are they asleep in their graves.....or are they receiving a preview of hell fire and damnation?

I am not a member of any church and I don't condemn anyone.

38 posted on 06/13/2006 3:09:50 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: AnalogReigns; Diego1618
But hey, I don't condemn all denominations but my own. Do you?

I know this question wasn't addressed to me. However, I just can't refrain from asking. Do you accept them all, and if so, how could you possible accept positions which contradict each other?

You pile your friends up in a minivan, and let's posit that you have asked them all which way it is to Chicago, and let's further posit that find that you have seven different friends telling you that Chicago is in seven different directions, one opinion for each friend. You are saying that that's all well and good, that you'd listen to them all, and still get to Chicago?

47 posted on 06/13/2006 8:11:28 PM PDT by reductio
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