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To: Kolokotronis; Iscool; jrny; Kenny Bunkport; XeniaSt
In the interest of following up, I checked my Liddell-Scott this morning and Iscool is right. There was a distinction between petros "stone" and petra "rock, mass of rock"--at least in Attic Greek of the 4th century B.C. Whether that distinction held in the 1st century NT Greek, I do not know.

Nevertheless, I think the argument still stands that Christ did not have this distinction in mind when he made this statement--1) because he gave the name in Aramaic not Greek, which is proved by John 1:42, and 2) because the Greek of Matt 16 has the word "taute" = "same" = "Thou art Rock, and upon this SAME rock, I shall build my Church"

100 posted on 06/09/2006 5:34:37 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

Well done, Claud!


104 posted on 06/09/2006 5:45:14 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Claud

You're tempting me to set aside CPA studying and get back into Greek!

I haven't had a chance yet to check my Lexicon, but you raise an interesting point that I will see if the distinction is still present in 1st. Century AD Greek.


106 posted on 06/09/2006 5:51:24 AM PDT by jrny
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To: Claud
The difficulty between petra and petros is most likely explained in the translation of Matthew from Aramaic to Greek. As I stated previously, the word "kipa" (transliterated from the Aramaic, ) is used in both instances.

This should be readily recognized...Peter is often referred to in the epistles as "Cephas".

108 posted on 06/09/2006 5:56:56 AM PDT by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: Claud; Kolokotronis; Iscool; jrny; Kenny Bunkport

In the interest of following up, I checked my Liddell-Scott this morning and Iscool is right. There was a distinction between petros "stone" and petra "rock, mass of rock"--at least in Attic Greek of the 4th century B.C. Whether that distinction held in the 1st century NT Greek, I do not know.

Nevertheless, I think the argument still stands that Christ did not have this distinction in mind when he made this statement--1) because he gave the name in Aramaic not Greek, which is proved by John 1:42, and 2) because the Greek of Matt 16 has the word "taute" = "same" = "Thou art Rock, and upon this SAME rock, I shall build my Church"

100 posted on 06/09/2006 6:34:37 AM MDT by Claud

What a gift : The ability to read the mind of G-d.

Did the Ru'ach HaKodesh breath the Word of G-d in Koine Greek or in Aramaic ?

b'shem Y'shua
109 posted on 06/09/2006 6:16:16 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Hosea 6:6 I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings)
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To: Claud

"Whether that distinction held in the 1st century NT Greek, I do not know."

Not really. It honestly is a play on words. I think your first explanation is linguistically correct.


130 posted on 06/09/2006 1:13:20 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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