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To: Dominic Harr; betty boop
Thank you for your reply!

I guess that means that since I haven't "heard" god, then it's his fault?

The Scriptures answer as follows (excerpt from Romans 9):

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

And not only [this]; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, [even] by our father Isaac; (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.

Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

[What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Nevertheless, as betty boop has pointed out earlier - God is not stingy. He hears earnest pleas for "ears to hear".
153 posted on 06/11/2006 9:51:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; ears_to_hear

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154 posted on 06/11/2006 10:06:51 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Hosea 6:6 I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings)
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To: Alamo-Girl; XeniaSt
Nevertheless, as betty boop has pointed out earlier - God is not stingy. He hears earnest pleas for "ears to hear"

The problem is the reprobate will never ask for ears to hear

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Here is MY testimony

Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

I was wandering lost and never knew it until He sought me and saved me with His grace.

170 posted on 06/11/2006 5:32:42 PM PDT by ears_to_hear ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see. ")
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To: Alamo-Girl
Hi, again:

He hears earnest pleas for "ears to hear".

That's still a tautology, isn't it?

I have to want to hear, in order to hear?

What if I want to hear the truth, discerned by objective evidence?

I observe that in our time, people claiming to work miracles and be the son of god still exist -- like David Koresh.

So my mind logically relates the stories of the past to my experience of people. Which means that one likely probability is that Jesus was like Koresh, or Jim Jones, or that Heaven's Gate guy.

If god wants me to *ignore* what is clearly the most probable explanation, then why would he give me this capacity to reason?

185 posted on 06/12/2006 8:03:44 AM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative = Careful, as in 'Conservative with money')
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