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End of the Line
Midwest Conservative Journal ^ | 5/30/2006 | Christopher Johnson

Posted on 05/31/2006 7:06:06 PM PDT by sionnsar

Fr. David Wilson is through playing games:

I believe, as an orthodox Anglican Christian submitted to the Word of God and to the received teachings of the Church throughout the ages and in agreement with my bishop, Robert Duncan, that a state of broken communion exists between those bishops who have supported the schismatic election and confirmation of the Bishop of New Hampshire and myself. In good conscience, I cannot remain in Eucharistic fellowship or sit under the false teachings that supporters of the said election and confirmation promote. I will not, therefore, participate in the daily official General Convention Eucharists of the 75th General Convention, nor will I participate in the Bible discussion groups that follow these Eucharists. I am asking the Diocese of Pittsburgh lay and clergy deputies to agree to these spiritual sanctions. Further, I encourage the deputations of all the Network dioceses to act accordingly and for those orthodox deputies throughout the rest of ECUSA to decline participation as well.

Will anything come of this?  I hope so.  Episcopal conservatives and liberals share nothing anymore and to pretend otherwise makes both groups into liars.  Better to admit what everyone already knows, that ECUSA is broken beyond repair, and get on with it.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: ecusa

1 posted on 05/31/2006 7:06:07 PM PDT by sionnsar
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2 posted on 05/31/2006 7:06:50 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0urs)
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To: sionnsar
I think the only question at this point is, what if anything will be left standing when the smoke clears.

This could get v-e-r-y ugly before it's over.

3 posted on 05/31/2006 7:10:31 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

You hope so don't you?


4 posted on 05/31/2006 7:33:39 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge
I don't hope, I fear.

I was driven out of a church that my family belonged to for six generations by these fiends. They took over a Godly, Biblical, apostolic church and turned it into a unbelieving heretical pagan orgy.

The sooner the faithful remnant come out from among them, the better.

Am I also mad? You bet! It's like watching a member of your family turn to drink, drugs, prostitution, and crime. At some point you have to leave them to their fate before they destroy the rest of the family, but you can't help watching and hoping against hope that somehow they will turn their life around and get help.

Sadly, I think time has run out for ECUSA to turn itself around.

5 posted on 05/31/2006 8:02:50 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Having read several of your remarks I know that you are a recent convert to Roman Catholicism.
I suspect that you hope that all of the "good guys" follow your lead.
You claim that you belonged to a " Godly, Biblical and Apostolic Church"- and I presume you mean an Episcopal one.
I am certain that you know that this is not an accurate description according to your new authority.

I think that having made your choice to leave, perhaps your efforts might be more beneficial to staving off the coming evil that is beginning its attack on the church of Rome. You have more than your share of evil lurking.
You all are just minutes behind.


6 posted on 05/31/2006 8:11:48 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge
We're fighting hard here, thank you very much. (The difference is that we have adult leadership.)

You may not be aware, but before GC 2003 there was a conference planned between Canterbury and Rome to revisit the bull Apostolicae Curae and sign a concordat. That would have reopened the question of the validity of Anglican orders, at least to the extent of conditional ordinations . . . a very major step.

The insistence of the heretics on abandoning Scripture and tradition torpedoed that effort, which had been in the works for almost 25 years.

So in answer to your presumption, I USED TO belong to a church which claimed apostolic succession and had a strong possibility of having it recognized by Rome in due course.

THAT church no longer exists.

7 posted on 05/31/2006 8:21:01 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Yes I am aware of all that.
When you were a member of the Episcopal church, as is the case now, the church of Rome did not consider the Anglican branch of Christianity to be "Apostolic".
It is pie in the sky to think that it would have become different were it not for the insane leftists. The Evangelical, Biblically based Southern Hemisphere Church would not have acquiesed to many required beliefs, the silly "Marian" agreement not withstanding.
8 posted on 05/31/2006 8:30:30 PM PDT by Bainbridge
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To: Bainbridge

Dear Bainbridge,

"I think that having made your choice to leave, perhaps your efforts might be more beneficial to staving off the coming evil that is beginning its attack on the church of Rome. You have more than your share of evil lurking.
You all are just minutes behind."

Actually, I think that we Catholics are quite a bit ahead of the Anglican Communion in terms of attacks on our respective organizations. At least since the Enlightenment, and more indirectly, since the Crucifixion.

However, I think that we're currently seeing signs that the effects of the last wave of attacks are actually ebbing. Providentially, we are assisted in part by some of those fleeing the Anglican community.

The worst of it in the Catholic Church probably peaked early in the pontificate of Pope John Paul II. Many of the worst symptoms have only come to light in recent years, but long after the fever actually broke.

The Holy Catholic Church is always, and will always be, until the Second Coming, under attack. While the termites ate their way through much of the structure of the Church during seemingly placid years before the 1960s, that apparent interlude of peace and prosperity was both an exception and a delusion.

The Catholic Church will survive.

Thanks for your concern.


sitetest


9 posted on 05/31/2006 9:09:25 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Bainbridge
The Evangelicals (even those in this country) probably would not have signed on, but the "high" contingent (of which we were a part) almost certainly would have.

And that could well have eventually led to a split between "high" and "low" . . . along the lines of FiF . . . instead of the now impending split between "believers" and "heretics" . . .

But the fact remains that there was at one time a willingness on the part of Rome to reconsider the validity of the Apostolic Succession in the Anglican communion.

And despite your protestations, the fact that the conference which had been working on this matter for almost 3 decades was abruptly shelved after GC 2003 seems to me to be more than a coincidence.

10 posted on 06/01/2006 4:55:58 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother
So while you were a member of the Episcopal church, was it "Apostolic"? if it was "Apostolic" then why can the church of Rome not say so? Why do they have to have endless confabs to discuss and "reconsider the validity"...
to revisit the bull " Apostolicae curae", etc. It is either true or not. Honestly, it is not something to be negotiated retrospectively.
" Let your yes be yes and your no be no"- something along these lines.
11 posted on 06/01/2006 7:16:16 AM PDT by Bainbridge
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