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To: thomaswest


Atheists have no alter boys,

EVER HEARD OF THE ACLU?

no prayers,

YOU MEAN LIKE MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS AND STUFF?

no church establishments,

...YOU MEAN LIKE A SCIENCE LAB?

no tax-exemption, no record of sex scandals, no pastors, preachers, or priests,

THERE ARE TONS OF ATHEIST PEDOPHILES. THERE ARE TONS OF ATHEIST TEACHERS.

no coming-of-age rituals like Bar Mitzvah or confirmation,

EVER HEARD OF SEX ED?

no holidays, no banned books or statements about heresy and blasphemy,

...YOU MEAN LIKE 'THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES'? HOW ABOUT NOT BLINDLY ACCEPTING THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIG BANG?

no record of burning witches or heretics,

...COMMUNISTS (WHO ARE ATHEISTS) KILL PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE (AND CONTINUE TO PRACTICE RELIGION) ALL THE TIME...

no public displays of prayer or piety,

...AGAIN SCIENTIFIC LAWS...

no holy book supposed to contain "All Truth',

...AGAIN ORIGIN OF SPECIES...

no recited creed,

...THERE ARE TONS OF SCIENTIFIC CREEDS FROM THE HYPOCRATIC OATH THAT DOCTORS TAKE ON DOWN...

no mythological 'transubstantions', no edifices with crosses.

...JEWS, HINDUS, MUSLIMS AND OTHERS DON'T BELIEVE IN THESE THINGS EITHER - ARE THEY NOT RELIGIONS?

These are attributes of organized religion, priests and preachers with an agenda to keep being supported despite doing little productive.

THERE ARE TONS OF IVORY TOWERED SCIENTISTS LIVING ON GOVERNMENT GRANTS RIGHT NOW WHO DO NOTHING AND PUT ALL THEIR *FAITH* IN LOGIC AND REASON.

Maybe you are ignorant of the reason cult doctrines are not succeeding is because cults are not actually accepting the Gospel.

WHY DO YOU JUST ASSUME I'M A CHRISTIAN?


89 posted on 05/27/2006 11:56:29 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Tzimisce
WHY DO YOU JUST ASSUME I'M A CHRISTIAN?

and btt to the rest of that post.

Because that is just one of thousands of 'strawmen' for them. It makes their agenda cleaner/easier if you can be put into that box.

Wolf
91 posted on 05/28/2006 12:03:41 AM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: Tzimisce; thomaswest; Celtjew Libertarian; RunningWolf
[Atheists have no alter boys,]
EVER HEARD OF THE ACLU?

Stop shouting. And if you think that the ACLU are "alter boys", you're very confused. Furthermore, the ACLU takes on a lot of cases defending religious practices too, so by your (lack of) reasoning, does that make them "religious alter boys" instead of "atheists' alter boys"? Or will anything which raises questions about your laughably black-and-white thinking cause your head to explode?

[no prayers,]
YOU MEAN LIKE MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS AND STUFF?

Stop shouting. And no, that's not what he means, because anyone with a working brain realizes that mathematical formulas are not "prayers". Plus, you do realize, I hope, that mathematical formulas "and stuff" are used by non-atheists as well? Or are you actually so stupid as to think that "mathematical formulas and stuff" are the exclusive province of atheists? What, are religious people anti-math or something on your planet?

Whatever drugs you're taking, it's time to decrease the dosage. Or maybe increase it.

[no church establishments,]
...YOU MEAN LIKE A SCIENCE LAB?

Stop shouting. And no, he doesn't mean that, because again, only a complete moron would think that a) a science lab is a "church establishment", and that b) only atheists use science labs, there's no such thing as a science lab used by non-atheists... Sheesh.

[no tax-exemption, no record of sex scandals, no pastors, preachers, or priests,]
THERE ARE TONS OF ATHEIST PEDOPHILES. THERE ARE TONS OF ATHEIST TEACHERS.

Stop shouting. And while there are undoubtedly cases of individual misconduct by atheist pedophiles, that's not what he's talking about, he's talking about institutional coverups and scandals like the one the Catholic Church has had recently. As for your SCREAMING COMMENT about "ATHEIST TEACHERS", so what? Being a teacher does not automatically make anyone a "pastor, preacher, or priest". Again, you seem very unclear on a number of very elementary concepts.

[no coming-of-age rituals like Bar Mitzvah or confirmation,]
EVER HEARD OF SEX ED?

Stop shouting. And yes, I've heard of Sex Ed. By what mental defect do you imagine that this is somehow an atheistic activity? Last time I checked, a whole lot of religious people favor teaching children about the birds and the bees too. It was even covered in the Catholic school in the town I grew up in. Nor is Sex Ed a "coming of age ritual" -- it's health information.

[no holidays, no banned books or statements about heresy and blasphemy,]
...YOU MEAN LIKE 'THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES'? HOW ABOUT NOT BLINDLY ACCEPTING THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIG BANG?

Stop shouting. And no, he's not talking about those, since those are not holidays, are not banned books, and are not statements about heresy/blasphemy. You know, you might want to actually *read* what he rights before you start rambling off in some other direction entirely.

[no record of burning witches or heretics,]
...COMMUNISTS (WHO ARE ATHEISTS) KILL PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE (AND CONTINUE TO PRACTICE RELIGION) ALL THE TIME...

Stop shouting. Communists in general are not atheists per se, they just don't like anything, including religions, competing with the State for the loyalty of the public. This is a trait common to authoritarian regimes -- including theocratic ones, which usually persecute people for advocating any *other* religion than the one favored by the dictators.

[no public displays of prayer or piety,]
...AGAIN SCIENTIFIC LAWS...

Stop shouting. Again, atheists have no monopoly on science, nor are scientitic laws "public displays of prayer or piety". Tell us again the one about how "an object in motion tends to stay in motion" is a "public display of prayer or piety" -- we could use a good laugh. Are you sure you know what in the hell you're talking about?

[no holy book supposed to contain "All Truth',]
...AGAIN ORIGIN OF SPECIES...

Stop shouting. I know of absolutely no one, at all, anywhere, who holds that the Origin of Species contains "All Truth". Hell, it doesn't even contain everything on evolutionary biology. Nor can I think of a single person, anywhere, delusional enough to consider it a "holy book". You seem very confused.

[no recited creed,]
...THERE ARE TONS OF SCIENTIFIC CREEDS FROM THE HYPOCRATIC OATH THAT DOCTORS TAKE ON DOWN...

Stop shouting. Again, you seem to be under the bizarre impression that a) science is somehow the province of atheists, b) religious people don't accept science, and c) that science is somehow a religion. Please explain, because you don't seem to be making a hell of a lot of sense at all.

[no mythological 'transubstantions', no edifices with crosses.]
...JEWS, HINDUS, MUSLIMS AND OTHERS DON'T BELIEVE IN THESE THINGS EITHER - ARE THEY NOT RELIGIONS?

Stop shouting. And stop missing the point -- he's talking about supernatural claims and holy symbols.

[These are attributes of organized religion, priests and preachers with an agenda to keep being supported despite doing little productive.]
THERE ARE TONS OF IVORY TOWERED SCIENTISTS LIVING ON GOVERNMENT GRANTS RIGHT NOW WHO DO NOTHING AND PUT ALL THEIR *FAITH* IN LOGIC AND REASON.

Stop shouting. Be that as it may, it doesn't magically make grant-based research a religious activity.

[Maybe you are ignorant of the reason cult doctrines are not succeeding is because cults are not actually accepting the Gospel.]
WHY DO YOU JUST ASSUME I'M A CHRISTIAN?

Stop shouting. And I don't see that he has made that assumption. Perhaps you could point out where you think he did? Were you confused by the mere fact that he happened to use the word "Gospel" in a post to you?

97 posted on 05/28/2006 12:47:29 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Tzimisce
"no prayers,

YOU MEAN LIKE MATHEMATICAL FORMULAS AND STUFF? "

Mathematical formulas are *prayers* now?

"no church establishments,

...YOU MEAN LIKE A SCIENCE LAB?"

Labs are *churches* now? Do you even care what words mean?

"no tax-exemption, no record of sex scandals, no pastors, preachers, or priests,

THERE ARE TONS OF ATHEIST PEDOPHILES. THERE ARE TONS OF ATHEIST TEACHERS. "

Anything to substantiate the *tons* of atheist pedophiles? Anything at all?

"no coming-of-age rituals like Bar Mitzvah or confirmation,

EVER HEARD OF SEX ED?"

Have you?

"no holidays, no banned books or statements about heresy and blasphemy,

...YOU MEAN LIKE 'THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES'? HOW ABOUT NOT BLINDLY ACCEPTING THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIG BANG?"

The Origin of Species has never been accepted uncritically by scientists. The Big Bang has not been *blindly* accepted; though both it and evolution (which are two very separate theories) have been blindly rejected.

"no public displays of prayer or piety,

...AGAIN SCIENTIFIC LAWS..."

You are redefining *prayer* to be something it most definitely is not. You are making science and the acceptance of scientific principles to be religious. This is bizarre.

"no holy book supposed to contain "All Truth',

...AGAIN ORIGIN OF SPECIES..."

No scientists has EVER said that the Origin of Species contains *all truth*. Not only has nobody ever said that, they have not implied it. Modern evolutionary theory has moved on past what Darwin wrote; the book was never accepted as the final word on evolution.

"no recited creed,

...THERE ARE TONS OF SCIENTIFIC CREEDS FROM THE HYPOCRATIC OATH THAT DOCTORS TAKE ON DOWN..."

This makes them atheists? And, if there are *tons* of scientific creeds, can you name any others?

"These are attributes of organized religion, priests and preachers with an agenda to keep being supported despite doing little productive.

THERE ARE TONS OF IVORY TOWERED SCIENTISTS LIVING ON GOVERNMENT GRANTS RIGHT NOW WHO DO NOTHING AND PUT ALL THEIR *FAITH* IN LOGIC AND REASON."

Is there something wrong with logic and reason?

I think I just hit on your main objection to science (it HAS been science you have been attacking, not atheism, BTW).
105 posted on 05/28/2006 4:47:52 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Tzimisce; longshadow; PatrickHenry

Your identification of communists with scientists is typical of the slander flung by the religious on this forum. It is of the same nature as claiming that Islamic terrorists are identical to Christians because both believe the same Creation story.


112 posted on 05/28/2006 6:25:44 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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