Traditional Jewish/Biblical Chronology and History

Self/Vanity | 5/23/'06 | Zionist Conspirator

[Zionist Conspirator]

My sources for this include primarily `Am `Olam: The History of the Eternal Nation, Vol I, by the late Rabbi Shlomo Rotenberg (zt"l), but also Bible Basics, edited by Jerome S. Hahn (both these books are available from Feldheim), but also The Jewish Calendar by Rabbi David Feinstein (available from ArtScroll). Also, timelines giving the true chronology of world history are printed in the backs of many editions of the Chumash and TaNa"KH (eg, the Stone TaNa"KH available from ArtScroll). There is also an excellent online Jewish chronology at this web site.

The teachings of authentic Jewish Tradition are so radically at odds with the "wisdom" and "sophistication" of the Nations of the World that attempts to reconcile the first five days of Creation with Charles Darwin seem downright silly. What are you going to do with all this other stuff, eh?

[Zionist Conspirator]

Read it and weep!

[Alex Murphy]

We are currently in the 5766th year of Creation, which is dated from the creation of 'Adam HaRi'shon on the Sixth Day of Creation, which is the first Ro'sh HaShanah. Counting backwards this corresponds to the year 3761 before the "common era."

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[Army MP Retired]

Very informative. Thank you.

[dangus]

How does a description of how the years of the bible are added affect me?

[Jeremiah Jr]

Kabbalah simply means ‘Tradition’ in English. Jewish Tradition! Here’s some.

A mikveh is a ritual bath, see: Mikveh - Ultimate Spiritualty

Fun with numbers

In order for a mikveh to be kosher it must contain 40 seah of water (a unit of measure). One seah contains 144 eggs (area). 40 x 144 = 5760. On Rosh HaShanah 5761 then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon journeyed to the Temple Mount to pray setting off protests (fire) that will engulf the world. The waters of the mikveh started to spill over…

The current year is 5766. Fasten your seatbelts!

The Number Forty (Study)

The fig tree (Israel) put forth it’s leaves (Six Day War) back in 1967…
1967 + 40 = .... tick tock...

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[Zionist Conspirator]

How does a description of how the years of the bible are added affect me?

You missed the point, perhaps intentionally. I am invoking authentic Jewish authorities who say that this chronology is not fictional (like that of Middle Earth) but actual history. This makes you a rejecter of Tradition when you defer and a hypocrite when you invoke your own tradition.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Thanks for considering this little post of mine ping-worthy. The information was gleaned from others but I composed my words at the keyboard, which was exhausting.

My apologies for errors or misspellings.

[Alexander Rubin]

Neato.

[John Locke]

Christian and secular historians place the Babylonian exile from the years 586 to 516 before the common era. In this chronology Babylonian rule was followed by well over a century of Medo-Persian rule. However, this is not correct. Instead the destruction actually occurred in the year 3338, corresponding to the year "422" before the common era--a difference of 164 years! What is the reason for this discrepancy? Simple: the secularists are wrong!

Sorry, but that is pure wishful thinking. The three dates in question - 586 BC for the Babylonian conquest, 538 for the Persian release of the Jews, and 331 for the arrival of Alexander - are just about as certain as any dates in the Ancient Near East. They are attested by multiple chronologies from multiple peoples.

Your attempts to date mythological people is a harmless pastime, but bald assertions that "the secularists are wrong" about true and verifiable history can serve only to persuade people that the Jews are idiots, which is not an attitude I would like to see in this forum.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.

[dangus]

>> You missed the point, perhaps intentionally. I am invoking authentic Jewish authorities who say that this chronology is not fictional (like that of Middle Earth) but actual history. This makes you a rejecter of Tradition when you defer and a hypocrite when you invoke your own tradition. <<

I tried to avoid stating this publicly, because I felt it better to keep such matters away from third parties whose faith may be weak or poorly more informed than ours: The point is that I just don't accept Jews as the repository of Tradition.

I whole-heartedly reject the doctrine of utter depravity; I hold that the Jews are a remarkable demonstration of unconditional love for God, even while many Christians sometimes seem to think that they will be rewarded in this life for attitudes which seem more like sucking up to a bully than loving the perfect Father; I believe the Jews will share in the resurrection of the dead when Christians keep ****ing things up; and I regard Jews as our elder brothers in the faith.

Nonetheless, I do not believe that the Jewish community is any longer protected from error by the extraordinary action of the Holy Spirit, and therefore no longer has the power of discerning truth through Tradition. I believe they once had that authority, but it was lost when the Temple curtain was torn, and the stone table cracked, and was in fact removed from Earth until it was restored through Christ to the apostles. Further, I reject the notion that such traditions held by certain Jews to be Tradition are in fact Tradition, since I do not believe they truly date back to when the Jews had the authority to discern Tradition.

Further, I would hold Christianity inherently must reject that Jews currently have the authority to discern Tradition, since they reject as scripture the Christian New Testament.

Even if i were to accept, for instance, that the Masoretic text, for instance, was pre-Christian, there is abundance evidence that many faith-filled Jewish sects did not use the Masoretic text. Why should I be expected to hold as authoritative the text of the Jews who did not become my co-religionists over the text of the Jews who did?

[dangus]

I appreciate your efforts, but this has been going on through a few different threads, and I don't have any squabble with his statement. I further understand you are protecting the decorum and not me, but I think it is reasonable to conclude from my arguments that I do reject post-Jamnian Jewish Tradition; in context, there is no slur.

[Religion Moderator]

It is about the decorum on the Religion Forum. Making a theological discussion personal - whether by reading another poster's mind or by demeaning him - tends to incite flames, even among sympathetic correspondents who are not a party to the discussion per se.

[MississippiMan]

Your attempts to date mythological people is a harmless pastime, but bald assertions that "the secularists are wrong" about true and verifiable history can serve only to persuade people that the Jews are idiots, which is not an attitude I would like to see in this forum.

So your glib assertion that the people under discussion are "mythological" is somehow less than "bald," I presume. And anyone who dares disagree with you is automatically perceived to be an idiot? Rich intellect on display here.

MM

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.