Posted on 05/23/2006 10:32:19 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
The teachings of authentic Jewish Tradition are so radically at odds with the "wisdom" and "sophistication" of the Nations of the World that attempts to reconcile the first five days of Creation with Charles Darwin seem downright silly. What are you going to do with all this other stuff, eh?
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Very informative. Thank you.
How does a description of how the years of the bible are added affect me?
A mikveh is a ritual bath, see: Mikveh - Ultimate Spiritualty
Fun with numbers
In order for a mikveh to be kosher it must contain 40 seah of water (a unit of measure). One seah contains 144 eggs (area). 40 x 144 = 5760. On Rosh HaShanah 5761 then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon journeyed to the Temple Mount to pray setting off protests (fire) that will engulf the world. The waters of the mikveh started to spill over
The current year is 5766. Fasten your seatbelts!
The Number Forty (Study)
The fig tree (Israel) put forth its leaves (Six Day War) back in 1967
1967 + 40 = .... tick tock...
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You missed the point, perhaps intentionally. I am invoking authentic Jewish authorities who say that this chronology is not fictional (like that of Middle Earth) but actual history. This makes you a rejecter of Tradition when you defer and a hypocrite when you invoke your own tradition.
My apologies for errors or misspellings.
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Sorry, but that is pure wishful thinking. The three dates in question - 586 BC for the Babylonian conquest, 538 for the Persian release of the Jews, and 331 for the arrival of Alexander - are just about as certain as any dates in the Ancient Near East. They are attested by multiple chronologies from multiple peoples.
Your attempts to date mythological people is a harmless pastime, but bald assertions that "the secularists are wrong" about true and verifiable history can serve only to persuade people that the Jews are idiots, which is not an attitude I would like to see in this forum.
Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.
>> You missed the point, perhaps intentionally. I am invoking authentic Jewish authorities who say that this chronology is not fictional (like that of Middle Earth) but actual history. This makes you a rejecter of Tradition when you defer and a hypocrite when you invoke your own tradition. <<
I tried to avoid stating this publicly, because I felt it better to keep such matters away from third parties whose faith may be weak or poorly more informed than ours: The point is that I just don't accept Jews as the repository of Tradition.
I whole-heartedly reject the doctrine of utter depravity; I hold that the Jews are a remarkable demonstration of unconditional love for God, even while many Christians sometimes seem to think that they will be rewarded in this life for attitudes which seem more like sucking up to a bully than loving the perfect Father; I believe the Jews will share in the resurrection of the dead when Christians keep ****ing things up; and I regard Jews as our elder brothers in the faith.
Nonetheless, I do not believe that the Jewish community is any longer protected from error by the extraordinary action of the Holy Spirit, and therefore no longer has the power of discerning truth through Tradition. I believe they once had that authority, but it was lost when the Temple curtain was torn, and the stone table cracked, and was in fact removed from Earth until it was restored through Christ to the apostles. Further, I reject the notion that such traditions held by certain Jews to be Tradition are in fact Tradition, since I do not believe they truly date back to when the Jews had the authority to discern Tradition.
Further, I would hold Christianity inherently must reject that Jews currently have the authority to discern Tradition, since they reject as scripture the Christian New Testament.
Even if i were to accept, for instance, that the Masoretic text, for instance, was pre-Christian, there is abundance evidence that many faith-filled Jewish sects did not use the Masoretic text. Why should I be expected to hold as authoritative the text of the Jews who did not become my co-religionists over the text of the Jews who did?
I appreciate your efforts, but this has been going on through a few different threads, and I don't have any squabble with his statement. I further understand you are protecting the decorum and not me, but I think it is reasonable to conclude from my arguments that I do reject post-Jamnian Jewish Tradition; in context, there is no slur.
So your glib assertion that the people under discussion are "mythological" is somehow less than "bald," I presume. And anyone who dares disagree with you is automatically perceived to be an idiot? Rich intellect on display here.
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