Posted on 05/17/2006 9:08:53 PM PDT by Full Court
Oh my. I do believe every word in the Bible is true, every single word is inspired by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is The Word made flesh, and every bit of him is truth. He said "No ONE can come to the Father except by Me". If we confess our sins HE is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. Where does it say HE has to have a Priest do it for Him? If it were not for these sort of things, I would become a Catholic as I do agree with them on most other things.
You wrote: "Oh my. I do believe every word in the Bible is true, every single word is inspired by the Holy Spirit."
That is a Catholic teaching. I believe it too.
"Jesus is The Word made flesh, and every bit of him is truth."
Again, that is a Catholic teaching. I believe it too.
"He said "No ONE can come to the Father except by Me"."
Yes, He did.
"If we confess our sins HE is faithful and just to forgive us our sins."
Yes.
"Where does it say HE has to have a Priest do it for Him?"
John 20:21-23. We don't baptize ourselves do we? One person baptizes another. Jesus appointed ministers.
"If it were not for these sort of things, I would become a Catholic as I do agree with them on most other things."
These sort of things? Well, confession takes a great deal of faith in this modernistic world. Today people do not want to believe sin is sin, or that a mere man (even if acting Christ's power and authority) can forgive another man's sins. Have you ever deeply studied the issue? I hope you do. There may be more there than you realized!
Faith is defined in Hebrews 11
needlenose: What does Hebrews 11 mean?
Words have meaning. Words comprise ideas and belief systems. Ideas and belief systems have consequences.
I am asking you what "to believe", "faith", etc, means from the entirety of Scripture, as explained in your own words.
xzins:Accepting the validity of what God has said and promised in scripture is the primary definition.
The demons do that, and tremble.
Acceptance in the face of opposing evidence would be another.
The demons do that, and tremble.
Mental reification of promise prior to the actualization of the promose.
The demons do that, and tremble
Would you like to try that one again?
Why don't you give me the definition that you want IN YOUR OWN WORDS. Then we won't have to play a silly game.
So, what does believe mean in YOUR own words.
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her."
Jesus.
Cordially,
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her."
Jesus.
Cordially,
Absolutely correct. But since he AND his second wife "were" received into the Catholic Church, there must be some circumstance (or circumstances) that wasn't mentioned in the article, as no priest or bishop would allow a person in such a state of mortal sin to be so received--not even to get a "high profile convert".
Believe me--the process for becoming a Roman Catholic is NOT a "rubber stamp". There is a LOT of discernment that has to go on as part of the RCIA process, both by the person entering the Church, and the RCIA team and priest who will be approving the entry.
From the article:
“There were tragic problems that were inherent to the marriage,” said Terry. “According to Catholic doctrine as it has been taught to me, those problems made it an invalid sacrament.”
“We didn’t stand much of a chance [of not becoming Catholic], with Pope John Paul II and Terri Schiavo praying for us,” said Randall’s wife Andrea, pointing to the photograph of Randall meeting the Pope.
Which implies that there was an annulment of his first marriage.
“There were tragic problems that were inherent to the marriage,” said Terry. “According to Catholic doctrine as it has been taught to me, those problems made it an invalid sacrament.”
Which implies that there was an annulment of his first marriage.
Probably correct. How convenient for Terry. I wonder if the annulment means that his other adulteries were not really adulteries either, and that his thefts, lies, deceptions, misrepresentations, perjury, and evasion of (prior) church discipline in failing to provide for his first wife and children didn't really happen either, because "it was an invalid sacrament". http://www.operationsaveamerica.org/articles/articles/please-remove-randalls-feeding-tube.htm
Cordially,
"If" there was any substance to those allegations, that's what the Sacrament of Penance is for. I'm not able to reconcile all this supposed "bad behavior" in your gossip-laden link with a person who, along with his wife, joins the Catholic Church. The two sets of behavior are mutually contradictory unless there exists a genuine "change of heart".
These are statements of facts from church officials in Terry's former church who were a position to know the facts, from various court records, including those containing Terry's own averments, and real estate transactions, not of which are mere gossip. If the allegations were not true Terry could sue for libel.
The two sets of behavior are mutually contradictory unless there exists a genuine "change of heart".
Sad to say, I think he was able to bamboozle Church officials. Genuine repentence does not continue in the same behavior. He destroyed his own family because of his lusts, but he has managed to find a new church 'supplier' who will allow him to have his cake and eat it too. He does pennance and can still live with his new wife in their $432,000 home with money fleeced from God's people.
He was excomunicated from his former church for his sinful behavior and refusal to repent. Shame on Rome for receiving him into communion while he persists in that state. And I would say the same thing if it were the other way around and he had been excomunicated by Rome for the same behavior and accepted into some other church under the same circumstances.
Cordially,
Cordially,
If Terry is sincerely repentant (and the fact that he is joining the Catholic Church suggests that he is), then God has already forgiven him. I suggest you do the same.
As for me, I'll look to see what "fruits" develop AFTER his entry into the Church.
Cordially,
Faith is, the gift of having trust in God.
You didn't have to get so testy did you?
Your answer is no different than mine was.
Sure it is.
So you say.
Yes I do.
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