From Operation Rescue to Operation Convert [Randall Terry now Catholic]

National Catholic registar ^ | 5/17/06 | TIM DRAKE

[Dr. Eckleburg]

LOL. That's great.

This thread is eerily reminiscent of Willie Wonka's trip through Candyland.

Minus the acid scene. 8~)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I meant to ping you guys, too.

Sugar rush.

[Diva]

I was Baptized when I was 8 in a little Baptist Church in Utah of all places. There were only three churches in Monticello at the time, or so I was told. The Mormon, the So. Baptist and the Catholic Church. In my 2nd grade classroom there was only one Catholic and one Baptist...me. In the morning the two of us would sit outside our classroom for 10 or 15 minutes while the Mormon children had their prayer time.

I was Confirmed into the Catholic Church at the Home for Incurables (it's antique name), in New Orleans by a good friend and Jesuit priest in the mid-70s.

[Diva]

While Baptism is not a salvation issue among Protestants, it certainly is for Catholics who must be baptized into the Holy Roman Catholic Church in order to be saved.

Not true. My baptism as an 8 y.o. in a tiny Baptist church in Utah was sufficient. I was never required to be Baptized into the Catholic Church.

[Pelayo]

If given time to just think about it in the context of a God who has created heaven and earth and who is as He says He is, then the concept of Predestination becomes obvious.

Obvious but also totally redundant. God is the creator of time and thus doesn't "Pre-anything" from his own perspective. Predestination is a meaningless dogma unless you confine God to a temperal reality.

[Diva]

The founder of your whole religion (Luther) believed the Pope was the anti-Christ and that has been an official line of many revolutionary Protestant sects in the past and even some today.

[Diva]

Absolutely not. I am asking why you would support baptizing an unbeliever of ANY age, and why you would support baptizing an infant, which IF that infant became a Christian at a later date, he would of been robbed of a baptism.

I think there is subtle flaw in your reasoning that stems from the notion that a person has a right not to believe and not to be baptized. Does a person have a right to commit suicide? If they don't is it OK if someone stops them against their will?

[Quester]

The founder of your whole religion (Luther) believed the Pope was the anti-Christ and that has been an official line of many revolutionary Protestant sects in the past and even some today.

Luther was never head of anybody's church.

He was just a man who tried to help the Catholic Church move toward needed reform ... who got kicked out as a result.

Although I can't speak for every chrisitan group which claims the name Protestant, there are and have been few, if any, which had a central tenet that the Pope was the Anti-Christ.

OTOH, Rome, herself, from the popes on down, ... held official anathemas against Protestants ... until 1960 or so.

[Diva]

Although I can't speak for every chrisitan group which claims the name Protestant, there are and have been few, if any, which had a central tenet that the Pope was the Anti-Christ.

"Obviously, however, it was at the time of the Reformation that the Roman Papacy was clearly revealed as the Antichrist." from The Concordia Lutheran Conference

"However, the Scriptures also teach that there is one climactic "Anti-Christ" (Dan. 7:8,11,20-21,24-25; 11:36-45; 2 Thessalonians 2; 1 John 2:18; 4:3; Revelation 17-18). . . Concerning the historical identity of the Antichrist, we affirm the Lutheran Confessions' identification of the Antichrist with the office of the papacy whose official claims continue to correspond to the Scriptural marks listed above." Lutheran Church Missouri Synod

"There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God." from The Westminster Confession of Faith (1646).

Just a few current and past official statements from recognized Protestant sects.

[Tribune7]

Ann's a protestant.

[Quester]

Just a few current and past official statements from recognized Protestant sects.

I said that there were 'few'.

And I'd wager that these confessions were modified long before 1960.

[Full Court]

I think there is subtle flaw in your reasoning that stems from the notion that a person has a right not to believe and not to be baptized.

According to God, many people do disobey the Gospel.

But the point here is that God has said that baptism is for beleivers. Not unbelieving infants.

[Full Court]

So you do seem to be saying that baptism is required for salvation, right?

Absolutely not, never have said that never will.

Now, back to the subject, why baptize unbelieving infants and follow the papist?

[Full Court]

I was Baptized when I was 8 in a little Baptist Church in Utah of all places.

But when were you saved?

[Full Court]

I am not a CoC.

I am a born again bible believer who attends an independent baptist church which does not practice the papist tradition of pedo-baptism.

[Corin Stormhands]

Plus Calvinist tend to neglect soul winning, and that bothers me.

ohfereverluvincryinoutloud...

Full Court, you're bothered by a lot of things for which you have no factual basis.

Good grief, here's the Arminian again defending Calvinism. They wrote the book on missions Full Court.

That's a matter of history.

[Corin Stormhands]

This thread is eerily reminiscent of Willie Wonka's trip through Candyland.

Gene Wilder or Johnny Depp?

[jude24]

Do not answer a fool according to his folly
Or you will also be like him.
Answer a fool as his folly deserves,
That he not be wise in his own eyes.
-- Prov. 26:4-5 [NASB]

[Full Court]

They wrote the book on missions Full Court.

What do they do now?

And BTW, Jorn R. Rice wrote the book on Soul Winning.

[Full Court]

Actually, he wrote several books on soul winning.