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Gnostics' favorite scholar gets a free pass from critics
CWNews.com, The Forum ^ | May 9, 2006 | Phil Lawler

Posted on 05/09/2006 4:18:05 PM PDT by Frank Sheed

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To: AnAmericanMother

LOL Why is it so many intelligent, humorous and cool converts issued from the border countries?


22 posted on 05/10/2006 7:42:49 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: livius
In the phony scholarship world, the fundamental assumption is of a parallel history that has been covered up and has been left to the phony scholar alone to reveal.

Bingo. That's the common thread. And it's driven by the fact that the PC scholars simply DON'T LIKE the way things have been portrayed so far.

23 posted on 05/10/2006 7:54:54 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: Frank Sheed

Ping to read later


24 posted on 05/10/2006 7:57:25 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: Frank Sheed
While Brown poses as a writer who researchs [sic] his subject carefully, his critics have exposed him as a novelist

Which his critics unearthed by carefully and cleverly decoding the secret message contained on the cover of his book -- which reads -- "A Novel".

25 posted on 05/10/2006 8:02:24 AM PDT by atlaw
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To: bornacatholic

I think it has to do with alcohol.


26 posted on 05/10/2006 8:03:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I'll weigh 50% less on Mars!)
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To: Tax-chick

I am Irish and Algonquin. I agree with you :)


27 posted on 05/10/2006 8:06:29 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: bornacatholic

On the other hand, I could just be obsessed because I've given up drinking, temporarily ...


28 posted on 05/10/2006 8:07:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I'll weigh 50% less on Mars!)
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To: atlaw
After "Acknowledgements" Brown writes FACT in which he claims the stuff about the Priory of Sion, and the stuff about Opus Dei and all the stuff about art, atchitecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate.

They are not. They are lies of the first order. But, not to worry. They aren't lies about you, so, no sweat. On with the show

29 posted on 05/10/2006 8:13:21 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: Tax-chick

:) For good reason Mom


30 posted on 05/10/2006 8:14:56 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: Lord Washbourne

Not surprising. It also would not surprise me if a bit of historical revisionist "iconography" seeped out of the DV Code. Watch for Mary Magdalene to start appearing in ecclesiastical art in certain churches, peeping out from behind Jesus or more likely standing right in front of Him.


31 posted on 05/10/2006 8:16:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: bornacatholic

Moms need a Restorative more than most people!


32 posted on 05/10/2006 8:19:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I'll weigh 50% less on Mars!)
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To: bornacatholic; Frank Sheed

And speaking of restoratives, here's a Mark Steyn column on "The DaVinci Code."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629832/posts


33 posted on 05/10/2006 8:20:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I'll weigh 50% less on Mars!)
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To: Frank Sheed

There are modern gnostics -- people who claim to be true believers.

Here is the bottom line of gnosticism: God is evil and has withheld "secret knowledge" from us that we need to find. That "secret knowledge" is often self-serving. Like when Allah told Mohammed how many wives he could have. In the ancient world it was a lot of stuff about permiscuous sex. Today it's often infused with politics.

Gnosticism is a conspiracy theory religion and "gnostic Christianity" is even worse in that it adds the church as an evil entity for "supressing" the "secret knowledge" of the gnostics. Gnosticism existed before Christianity without any trace of Judeo-Christian values or scripture. It is a parasitic religion, feeding off of the host body and it fed off of every religion, from Christianity to Zoroastrianism.

The only reason we know about it now is that it attached itself to Christianity and everyone who wants to believe that the Catholic Church has a basement full of secrets that it's hiding from the public (a Vatican Area 51) or just hates Catholics or Christians in general can point to some sort of "supression".

Here's the facts: The church fathers, part of a small group only a few generations removed from Paul and Peter, knew exactly what the second-century gnostic "Christians" were all about and none of the gnostic texts were ever under serious consideration at Nicea or elsewhere.


34 posted on 05/10/2006 8:33:07 AM PDT by AmishDude (Gnosticism: A religion Art Bell would be proud of.)
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To: Tax-chick
Renowned betrayer Judas Iscariot, you'll recall, was the disciple who sold out Jesus. Only it turns out he didn't! He was in on the plot! The betrayal was all part of the plan! For, as the Gospel of Judas exclusively reveals, Christ came to him and said, "Rudolph, with your nose so bright . . ." No, wait, that's a later codex.

At this point, the Irishman could bear it no longer. He had to clean the streams of coffee that were now obscuring the text on his monitor. "I should remember to stop drinking coffee when reading Steyn," he noted mentally while tears continued to stream down his face.

35 posted on 05/10/2006 8:35:59 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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To: atlaw
From Steyn's (always) excellent article: At the start of the book, Dan Brown pledges, "All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents and secret rituals in this novel are accurate."
36 posted on 05/10/2006 8:36:26 AM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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To: Taliesan
The following is a great quote on the "historicity" of the "Gospel of Judas" from the Steyn article:

As Dr. Simon Gathercole of the University of Aberdeen told my old pal Dalya Alberge in the London Times, the alleged Gospel of Judas "contains a number of religious themes which are completely alien to the first-century world of Jesus and Judas, but which did become popular later, in the second century AD. An analogy would be finding a speech claiming to be written by Queen Victoria, in which she talked about The Lord Of The Rings and her CD collection."

That's about the level of respect "scholars" like Pagels have for genuine history and sources.

37 posted on 05/10/2006 8:39:47 AM PDT by livius
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To: AmishDude

I meant to spell check that, I really did.


38 posted on 05/10/2006 8:48:05 AM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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To: Frank Sheed

I have crumbs in my keyboard. "Don't eat Pat's leftover lunch while reaading Mark Steyn!"


39 posted on 05/10/2006 8:49:15 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I'll weigh 50% less on Mars!)
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To: Tax-chick

Sorry I can't offer you a drink, Mom. Pretend it's Lent but it goes on for an extra long time this year!

F


40 posted on 05/10/2006 8:52:22 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Tá brón orainn. Níl Spáinnis againn anseo.)
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