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To: Wombat101
Whisper .... "Yea, hath God said, 'Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

Shsssss.... "Ye shall not surely die; For God doth know that in the 'day' ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

So the little dust eating serpent symbolically speaking is set for us to this day about a method of operation, lies using the very Scripture itself twisting and turning it ever so little or ever so much. Paul uses some descriptive language about what went on in the Garden. Yet here we are alll these years later and it is still hidden to most of humanity, you think the Heavenly Father was not aware what would be???

The warning has been written over and over and over again as to what would bring in the end of this flesh age.

Oh and since we are told the Heavenly Father knows what we are thinking and further that if we are of a mind not to have the love of truth, He Himself will send us strong delusions so that we will believe a lie.

Even those that witnessed the coming out of Egypt could not keep their minds focused for a very long time and turn their adoration upon a golden calf. Very instructive about the minds and spines of we in this flesh.
126 posted on 05/06/2006 10:08:18 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

"So the little dust eating serpent symbolically speaking is set for us to this day about a method of operation, lies using the very Scripture itself twisting and turning it ever so little or ever so much."

Ah, so now the Seprent is merely "symbolic" and not the physical manifestation of Satan or some other fallen angelic spirit (and God created that lot too, didn't he?), who also operates outside the sphere of God's control and knowledge? So much for being the all-seeing Almighty!

You argue on the one had for literal interpretation of the text, and then when the illogic of doing so is handed back to you, you call it a lie and the twisting of the truth. Wonderful thing about people who take their Bible literally: they can always have it both ways, and protective stupidity in the defense of scripture is a virtue.

"Paul uses some descriptive language about what went on in the Garden. Yet here we are alll these years later and it is still hidden to most of humanity, you think the Heavenly Father was not aware what would be???"

I'm going to interpret this to mean that you believe the Garden, as a physical place (as opposed to the symbolic serpent, I guess the Garden can't be a metaphor too), still exists someplace. Of course, you cannot in this day and age, with all our technology and knowledge of geography, pinpoint it's exact location on the globe (beyond much of an educated guess), so that non-metaphorical, physical garden must therefore exist in a non-methaphorical, non-physical reality.

Now you can rewrite the laws of physics using Scripture. Neat trick. Of course the illogic of this premise is negated by the "God can do anything" argument, except, apparently keep a Seprent out his garden, and stop Eve from doing what she's been specifically told not to do. God musty have been so busy creating this alternate physical universe that he couldn't watch the only two people on Earth for the few minutes it took them to eat the forbidden fruit. Which, apparently, he knew was going to happen anyway.

See where I'm going with this? By the way, neat trick of Paul writing about the events in the Garden when he wasn't there, and the place was barred to him by virtue of his frail humanity.

"The warning has been written over and over and over again as to what would bring in the end of this flesh age."

Yes it has. Every civilization has had myths and predictions about the end of the world and the fate of those that did not accept the "True" this or that. This was true long before the Bible and it's forerunners, and it will continue for as long as mankind requires faith, in any form. The Apocalypse of St. John, in many ways, is no different than the Aztec version of the end of the world and final battle between good and evil(which is supposed to arrive in 2019).

One we dismiss as "pagan" because it did not originate in the Western Tradition and was not sanctioned by the "True" Church, and the other is accepted by many as a certainty because it is sanctioned. Nothing like being hypocritical and prejudiced, even about the way in which the world will end.

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Oh and since we are told the Heavenly Father knows what we are thinking and further that if we are of a mind not to have the love of truth, He Himself will send us strong delusions so that we will believe a lie."

Santa Claus also sees me when I'm sleeping and knows when I'm aweake, etc, etc, etc. God then, in your view, has given me the gift of choosing to either be his willing slave (although a particularly loved and cherished one) or of being outside his grace; and then punishes me for using the gift in a way he does not approve of but is powerless to prevent in the first place? Wow, this makes more and more sense all the time.

"Even those that witnessed the coming out of Egypt could not keep their minds focused for a very long time and turn their adoration upon a golden calf. Very instructive about the minds and spines of we in this flesh."

The Golden Calf was worshipped BEFORE Moses brough the Commandments down from Sinai. There is no Israel and there are no Chosen People until after the Commandments are presented and accepted, there is, to speak, no contract between God and Man, and therefore no obligation to worship him instead of a golden calf.

Get your timeline straight. Golden Calf first. Presentation of Commandments and contract between God and man for exclusive rights to symbiotic salvation and worship second.

Again, I don't have an issue with your faith (or at least the underlying philosphy) or the practice thereof, just the assertion that "because the Bible says so" is a reasonable argument for anything.


129 posted on 05/06/2006 10:39:38 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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