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To: Colofornian; restornu

>>>>The “Mormon God is a god of accountability, the perception I have of the protestant
>>>>God is that all you have to do is say “I believe” and go on sinning, because “God
>>>>will take care of it.” and you have no responsibility to do anything.

>>Is this in contradistinction to the Mormon god who apparently says,
>>"You take care of your sin. It's totally on your shoulders"???

You sir have a gift for misunderstanding what has been clearly stated. (Almost as if it was on purpose).

From post #366:

“You almost had it. There is no “Pulling your selves up” ( http://scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/25/23#23 ) we are “Saved by grace after all we can do”. We must do all in our power, and then Christ makes up the difference, whether large or small.”

What part of “Saved by Grace” don’t you understand?


459 posted on 05/08/2006 11:03:14 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser; Colofornian
What part of “Saved by Grace” don’t you understand

Mormons believe they are saved by Grace (after all they can do.) But, how do you earn exaltation?

Please define "saved."

Please define "exhaltation"

I dare ya ; )

460 posted on 05/08/2006 11:08:30 AM PDT by colorcountry (He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep, to gain what he cannot lose.)
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To: DelphiUser
What part of “Saved by Grace” don’t you understand?

What part of the word "after" don't you understand? Grace, according to this BoM passage, is like a rocket jet afterburner that kicks in somewhere in spiritual orbit. It doesn't kick in until the ship has done everything possible on its own to muster itself into orbit.

So, that triggers 2 thoughts:

(1) Congratulations, Spiritual Captain! Like Astronauts returning home, you get to share the glory stage with Jesus Christ 'cause, after all, it was your energy that got you to the stage before God's ever kicked in. [I know, I know, that seems to run counter to Scriptures like "those who were invited were NOT worthy" (Mt 22:8), "we are unworthy slaves" (Lk 17:10), and only he who is sick is in need of the Great Physician. We are NOT worthy to bask in the salvific glory of Jesus, but if you want to base your salvation upon the formula of 'My 100% energy will eventually trigger His' then it's your life at risk. You've been forewarned."]

(2) For the afterburner to kick in, YOU have to have done ALL [not 20%, 30% or even 90%--ALL!] you can. "We are saved by grace, AFTER ALL WE can do." I think you understand, "after." I think you understand, "all." Do you really think they'll come a point where you can say, "Yup. Spiritually, I've done all I can do?" Have you even ever heard or read ANY LDS testimony of ANYONE ever stating this?

If not, and I would surmise you haven't heard or read such a testimony, this standard is impossible to meet. And it's exactly why Jesus turned the question around when his disciples asked him, "What must WE DO to do the works God requires?" (John 6:28).

"Jesus answered, 'The work OF GOD is this: to believe in the one he has sent.'" (John 6:29).

464 posted on 05/08/2006 12:52:18 PM PDT by Colofornian
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