>>>>Since Authority begins with the creator who cares where his genealogy goes? Did
>>>>your dad have to get permission from Adam to spank you? This is a spurious
>>>>argument at best, who’s only purpose is to muddy the waters with a Mormon belief
>>>>that we are the literal son’s and Daughters of God.
>>LDS are the ones who make the huge deal out of having a priesthood.
Because having authority makes a big difference
Mark 13: 34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Luke 9 1 – 2 ( http://scriptures.lds.org/luke/9 )
1 THEN he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
Note, he sent those who were set apart and who had been granted authority, not the multitude who was listening, not any who read this.
>>And this is because LDS authority is perceived to be so wrapped up in it. Therefore,
>>the laying on of hands is indeed huge in Utah & the LDS concentric circle. The rite of
>>passing on authority is LDS' own construction, so don't tell me that I'm making a
>>spurious argument when so much rides on that for LDS.
Were the apostles ordained? Was it by the laying on of hands? (Yes and Yes)
Articles of Faith #5 ( http://scriptures.lds.org/a_of_f/1/5#5 )
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
>>I can't tell you how many times I've heard an LDS missionary talk with pride about his
>>priesthood authority, and either in subtle or more open ways point out that he
>>perceives a vacuum of authority within "Christendom."
And he is right, you all claim, god told the apostles this”” and then left, that’s the last word, don’t tell me any more, I’ve got enough (Effectively shutting off revelation because you won’t listen to him whom you profess to be following)
>>I mean, just look, for example, at how many times in this thread alone you bring up the
>>question of how/where we're authorized to several posters. It's even in your blood!
Yep, that’s because it’s important to have authority to act in god’s name or anybody could say “I’m a believer, follow me” (oops, that’s what you believe, isn’t it, sorry)
>>The chain of authority within the LDS is huge. How dare you make light of it or
>>downplay it.
I’m not down playing it, it starts with the Creator, If I create you, I am in authority over you (lest I un-create you). So that’s where authority starts. (This isn’t even theology, merely logic).
restornu, thought you'd enjoy this post, thoughts on authority starting with the creator?
You can't even apply that to the family. Oh, sure, as parents are the ones procreating their kids, of course they have authority over them. But you beg the question. No one here was ever claiming that you don't believe that your version of Elohim has authority over you. So your "perfect logic" is aimed at a straw man we didn't construct.
So, let me spell it out for you, yet again: A parent has authority of their child. But that authority is not "ultimate." God invests authority in the government for the protection and safety of individuals. And if a parent abuses a child, then the government has the right to weigh in w/its authority over and above that given parent.
In addition to that, the creator-God's authority also trumps that of the parent. If you're trying to say that parental authority is universally absolute and is the ultimate authority in that kid's life, well, that's a very dangerous proposition, for God isn't called "Father" for nothin'!