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Posted on 04/25/2006 6:19:21 PM PDT by Full Court
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
That site I linked is a hoot, by the way. Makes Bro. Cloud look like a complete liberal. It condemns Catholics and Lutherans both as cultists, but seems to single out Congressman Ron Paul for special praise.
I guess you've never heard of
THE HOUND OF HEAVEN.
You certainly seem to know nothing of my knowledge or acceptance of The Gospel of Jesus Christ.
And, I would not presume to tell Jesus at what point Jesus considered Sammy saved in that trek from the clearing to the mission compound.
Jesus may have considered him saved from the foundation of the world, for all I know.
I just know something of Jesus' character. And I have utter confidence that had Sammy been eaten by a tiger between the torture clearing and the compound, that Jesus would have saved him whether he had to present him with a choice at the moment of death or however He might have arranged it.
Sammy had demonstrated utter absolute faith in the Voice and Person of Jesus each step of that trek. As Scripture has indicated rather conclusively--that sort of faith is Saving Faith from Adam, certainly Abraham, onward. Sammy had cast his all on the Person and Voice of His new Lord step by step of that trek.
To presume that such faith would count as naught with Jesus is to evidence cluelessness about Jesus' character, imho.
Yes, it was important for Sammy to hear The Gospel and Jesus insured that he did. But the issue was settled long before Sammy reached the compound. Sammy KNEW HIS SAVIOR STEP BY STEP OVER THE WEEKS OF THAT TREK. SAMMY KNEW HIS SAVIOR'S VOICE as probably you and I do not--each step of that trek. Sammy had utter confidence that His new found Savior who had led him to food and water along the way would lead him successfully the rest of his life's way. That was all very settled before Sammy reached the compound.
Are you so utterly brazen as to tell Jesus that such COULD NOT count with Jesus? I hope not.
Please... we've got say too much doctrinal baggage goin' on here... we don't need any more. :-)
Ok, then I will tell you.
Ye must be born again.
I saw that. It *is* a hoot. But then, we got our own hooters to worry about for the moment.
I could be as alarmed by such statements of Graham's as you seem to be.
But I've not been inside his head on the topic.
I just know that God is able to bring folks sovereignly to a knowledge of Himself; of Jesus; of The Gospel through dreams, visions even at the point of death--giving them a last chance choice between Salvation through Christ and none.
You seem unwilling to allow for such.
I construe Graham's convictions on the matter as close to mine. We don't know it all. We see through the glass darkly. Yes, it's utterly important to spread the Gospel far and wide energetically. And there are sobering Scriptures about folks who die without knowledge of Christ.
But you also nullify the verse about
HE WHO SEEKS ME SHALL FIND ME.
That verse has no qualifiers. I can certainly imagine folks of all manner of philosophies and religions earnestly seeking God Almighty through the best light they know. I can't imagine God disappointing them in the final analysis. I think that is all Graham is saying, essentially.
I'm not a he.
If you believe in the end times scenarios, why is it so hard for you to believe the truth about Graham?
Helen Keller was a great and unique person.
Nevertheless, she learned the Gosple of Jesus Christ just like she learned everything else that she knew. That would be through hand language. It was not necessary for her to physical hear and physical see in order for her to understand, only to be taught like everyone else.
Seeing and hearing were not the methods by which she received communication but I would venture to say that she had a better understanding of the Gospel than most people posting on this thread.
You evaded my points very skillfully.
But why bother if Billy says that they don't have to hear of Christ to be saved?
A Canadian sourced sight and the only mentioning of socialist is by the biographer writing on the site and the mentioning of someones book about her. As for her communication gestures being demonic? Rubish. Thanks to ones like her the deaf were given a means to talk. Pssst can you keep a secret about the USL letter W & Y?
Why is it important to "believe" any "truth" about Graham?
What does my opinion of Graham have to do with anything?
And no, I don't believe heaven is anything like this thread despite how much you seem to be enjoying it.
I believe the first question asked after you die is how did you live your life.... not what religion were you.
If you believe in the end times scenarios, why is it so hard for you to believe the truth about Graham?
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Could you elaborate a lot more on that leap of logic for me? I may try and answer you once I understand such a flying leap.
I have to sign off with this. God saves imperfect people. God uses imperfect people. Graham is imperfect but God he has given his live to God and God has used him. We can't all live in Nepal.
I wasn't talking to you.
Oh, crap.
Should read: Graham is imperfect but he has given his life to God
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